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Sunday, September 06, 2015

Constructive Neutral Evolution (CNE)

Constructive Neutral Evolution (CNE) is a term that describes the evolution of complex systems by non-adaptive mechanisms. The idea (and the name) was developed by Arlin Soltzfus in 1999 (Stoltzfus, 1999) but it has antecedents in the literature and in the environment where Stoltzfus did his post-doc (Michael Gray and Ford Doolittle). It has been promoted by a number of prominent evolutionary biologists/population geneticists, notably Michael Lynch in his book The Origins of Genome architecture. Several examples have been described and discussed in the scientific literature and in popular books. For example, there is good reason to think that the evolution of the complex spliceosome that removes introns has evolved by mainly non-adaptive evolution.

Ford Doolittle and Michael Gray are fans of constructive neutral evolution. They and their collaborators wrote a review of the idea in Science (Gray et al., 2010). It has the provocative title "Irremediable Complexity." The same authors (different order) published another review the following year (Lukeš et al., 2011).

It's important to understand this concept because it challenges the idea that the evolution of complexity is adaptive and it sets the stage for challenging the idea that all adaptive structures arose exclusively by natural selection. Almost everyone who writes about constructive neutral evolution understands that it poses a problem for those who cling to adapatationist or selectionist views of evolution. It also helps us understand why the core idea behind irreducible complexity has been refuted.

Let's look at the introduction to the Lukeš et al. paper ...
In a recent Science Perspective, we highlighted a neutral evolutionary theory, called constructive neutral evolution (CNE) by Stoltzfus, emphasizing how such a process could lead to what we term ‘‘irremediable complexity’’: the seemingly gratuitous, indeed bewildering, complexity that typifies many cellular subsystems and molecular machines, particularly in eukaryotes. We offered (in fact reoffered) the CNE paradigm as a counterpoint to purely adaptationist/selectionist schemes that are often favored by biologists, and molecular biologists in particular, to explain the evolution of structural and biochemical complexity. We argued that continued failure to consider CNE alternatives impoverishes evolutionary discourse and, by oversimplification, actually makes us more vulnerable to critiques by antievolutionists, who like to see such complexity as ‘‘irreducible.’’ Here, we expand on this idea by presenting in more detail ‘‘case histories’’ that illustrate how CNE might have operated in the emergence of several complex systems, including RNA editing, the spliceosome, and the ribosome, and how it might be invoked more broadly as an evolutionary paradigm underlying cellular complexity in general.
They have a very nice figure that makes the whole idea quite easy to understand.1

Imagine an enzyme "A" that catalyzes a biochemical reaction as a single polypeptide chain. This enzyme binds protein "B" by accident in one particular species. That is, there is an interaction between A and B through fortuitous mutations on the surface of the two proteins. (Such interactions are common as confirmed by protein interaction databases.) The new heterodimer (two different subunits) doesn't affect the activity of enzyme A. Since this interaction is neutral with respect to survival and reproduction, it could spread through the population by chance.

Over time, enzyme A might acquire additional mutations such that if the subunits were now separated the enzyme would no longer function (red dots). These mutations would be deleterious if there was no A + B complex but in the presence of such a complex the mutations are neutral and they could spread in the population by random genetic drift. Now protein B is necessary to suppress these new mutations making the heterodimer (A + B) irreducibly complex. Note that there was no selection for complexity—it happened by chance.

Further mutations might make the interaction more essential and make the two subunits more dependent on one another. This is a perfectly reasonable scenario for the evolution of irreducible complexity. Anyone who claims that the very existence of irreducibly complexity means that a structure could not have evolved is wrong.

The evolution of modern hemoglobin, composed of two alpha subunits and two beta subunits is an example of a well-known structure that probably evolved in this manner. We already know that a single subunit can function on its own because that's what myoglobin does.

It's important to note that this explanation for the evolution of hemoglobin has not been "proved" even though it seems extremely likely. Creationists will focus on this and claim that irreducible complexity is still a valid objection to naturalistic evolution. Their logic is faulty because the initial claim was that the very existence of irreducible complexity means that it could not possibly have evolved. That means, according to them, that all the intermediate steps had to be functional and evolution by natural selection can't accomplish the goal. In other words, they take the evolved complex (A-B) on the right of the figure above and point out that neither of the subunits has activity on its own therefore they both had to be created simultaneously in order to get activity. Evolution can't do this so gods have to take over.

All that's required is that evolutionary biologists propose a reasonable explanation making it possible for such structures to evolve naturally in a world where gods play no role in evolution. That has been done. The idea that irreducibly complex structures are impossible to evolve has been falsified.2

One of the characteristics of complex eukaryotes is that their enzymes and complexes are almost always a lot more complicated that the prokaryotic versions. It doesn't make sense that eukaryotic ribosomes, for example, have a lot more protein subunits than their bacterial counterparts.

If you understand Constructive Neutral Evolution, you will realize that there doesn't have to be an adaptive explanation for all this extra complexity. It can be easily explained by neutral evolution in small populations. This is especially true of mitochondrial ribosomes ...
When one looks at the ribosomes of mitochondria, however, what emerges is an entirely different picture, one of extraordinary evolutionary plasticity. In keeping with their endosymbiotic origin, mitochondrial ribosomes in some species have strikingly bacteria-like compositions. However, in other lineages, drastic changes to rRNA size and structure, as well as protein composition, have occurred. Most relevant here are cases where a marked reduction in the size of rRNA components has occurred concomitantly with a substantial increase in ribosomal protein complexity. For example, the human mitochondrial ribosome contains rRNA species that are about half the size of their bacterial counterparts, but the number of proteins has increased in both subunits to a complexity closer to that of cytoplasmic ribosomes. Clearly, the human mitochondrial ribosome has lost substantial RNA and gained substantial protein in the course of its evolution from a bacterial progenitor, reversing the usual protein:RNA ratio (33:67) to become protein-rich (69:310). An even more extreme situation is seen in the kinetoplastids. Here, rRNA shrinkage has resulted in Trypanosoma mitochondrial rRNAs of only 610 and 1,150 nucleotides, with additional proteins among a total of 133 (vs.55 in E. coli) evidently compensating for this loss. Notably, the novel mitoribosomal proteins do not have detectable homologs outside of the kinetoplastids, and only a low degree of conservation and/or divergent function within this lineage.

This process appears to have been accompanied by a substantial remodeling of ribosome structure. In the human mitochondrial ribosome, many proteins occupy new positions, and intersubunit bridges consist mainly of protein rather than RNA. Especially notable is the absence of 5S rRNA in the large subunit of the mammalian mitoribosome; instead, proteins occupy the site where this RNA species normally sits, suggesting that a protein element may assume some of the roles of 5S rRNA. An even more extreme situation developed in the RNA-poor mitoribosome of kinetoplastid flagellates, which is more porous than other known ribosomes and where functionally conserved sites, such as the mRNA channel, the transfer RNA passage, and the exit site for nascent polypeptides are occupied by newly acquired ribosomal proteins rather than familiar ones.

In short, a CNE scenario can be used to rationalize not only the emergence of the ribosome as an RNP per se but also its peculiar ‘‘degeneration’’ in certain systems, notably mitochondrial, where constraints on ribosome function are presumably limited only to synthesizing a very small number of proteins.
This view—neutral evolution of complexity—is not just a problem for creationists. Evolutionary biologists and other scientists need to change their way of thinking about evolution in order to adapt to the new emphasis on population genetics and the role of chance in evolution. Too many scientists see life's complexity as a finely tuned Swiss watch rather than a sloppy Rube Goldberg machine that's just good enough.

Here's Lukeš et al. again ... as you read this, think about your own view of complexity. Do you always interpret it as an adaptation for "fine tuning"?
As we pointed out previously, machines of marvelous complexity such as lightharvesting antennae in photosynthesis, RNA and DNA polymerases and their attending initiation, elongation, and termination complexes, apparatuses for import, folding, and degradation of proteins, or the cytoskeleton and its motors, all might have grown to their current form through a process of CNE accretion. The same argument could apply to large and complex regulatory networks, which are often described as being ‘‘finely tuned’’ but might be better interpreted as ‘‘runaway bureaucracy’’ or biological Rube Goldberg machines where what could be a relatively simple task is performed though many steps by an unnecessarily complex machine.

UPDATE: A reader has alerted me to a post by Dan Graur on the same subject (June 11, 2014): Rube Goldberg’s 131st Birthday: Irremediable Complexity by Constructive Neutral Evolution.


1. Not that this is going to be much help to creationists. They are highly resistant to easy ideas.

2. The ideas described here have been around for twenty years and they have been explained repeatedly to many creationists, including all the leading figures in the Intelligent Design Creationist movement.

Gray, M.W., Lukeš, J., Archibald, J.M., Keeling, P.J., and Doolittle, W.F. (2010) "Irremediable complexity?" Science 330: 920-921. [doi: 10.1126/science.1198594]

Lukeš, J., Archibald, J.M., Keeling, P.J., Doolittle, W.F., and Gray, M.W. (2011) "How a neutral evolutionary ratchet can build cellular complexity." IUBMB life 63: 528-537. [PDF]

Stoltzfus, A. (1999) "On the possibility of constructive neutral evolution." J. Mol. Evol. 49: 169-181.

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ElShamah777 said...

This is one more great example of a amazingly complex molecular machine, that will operate and exercise its precise orchestrated function properly ONLY with ALL components fully developed and formed and able to interact in a highly complex, ordered , precise manner. Both, the software, and the hardware, must be in place fully developed, or the mechanism will not work. No intermediate stage will do the job. And neither would snRNPs (U1, U2, U4, U5, and U6) have any function if not fully developed. And even if they were there, without the branch-point-binding protein (BBP) in place, nothing done, either, since the correct splice site could not be recognized. Had the introns and exons not have to emerge simultaneously with the Spliceosome ? No wonder, does the paper : " Origin and evolution of spliceosomal introns " admit: Evolution of exon-intron structure of eukaryotic genes has been a matter of long-standing, intensive debate. 1 and it concludes that : The elucidation of the general scenario of evolution of eukaryote gene architecture by no account implies that the main problems in the study of intron evolution and function have been solved. Quite the contrary, fundamental questions remains wide open. If the first evolutionary step would have been the arise of self-splicing Group II introns, then the question would follow : Why would evolution not have stopped there, since that method works just fine ?


There is no credible road map, how introns and exons, and the splice function could have emerged gradually. What good would the spliceosome be good for, if the essential sequence elements to recognise where to slice would not be in place ? What would happen, if the pre mRNA with exons and introns were in place, but no spliceosome ready in place to do the post transcriptional modification, and neither the splicing code, which directs the way where to splice ? In the article : ‘JUNK’ DNA HIDES ASSEMBLY INSTRUCTIONS, the author, Wang, observes that splicing "is a tightly regulated process, and a great number of diseases are caused by the 'misregulation' of splicing in which the gene was not cut and pasted correctly." Missplicing in the cell can have dire consequences as the desired product is not produced, and often the wrong products can be toxic for the cell. For this reason, it has been proposed that ATPases are important for ‘proofreading’ mechanisms that promote fidelity in splice site selection. In his textbook Essentials of Molecular Biology, George Malacinski points out why proper polypeptide production is critical:

"A cell cannot, of course, afford to miss any of the splice junctions by even a single nucleotide, because this could result in an interruption of the correct reading frame, leading to a truncated protein."


The required precision is quite amazing, and even more astounding is the fact that these incredibly complex molecular machines are able and capable to do the Job in the precise manner as needed.

ElShamah777 said...

Following the binding of these initial components, the remainder of the splicing apparatus assembles around them, in some cases displacing some of the previously bound components.

ElShamah777 said...

Question: How could the information to assemble the splicing apparatus correctly have emerged gradually ? In order to do so, had the assembly parts not have to be there, at the assembly site, fully developed, and ready for recruitment? Had the availability of these parts not have to be synchronized so that at some point, either individually or in combination, they were all available at the same time ? Had the assembly not have to be coordinated in the right way right from the start ? Had the parts not have to be mutually compatible, that is, ‘well-matched’ and capable of properly ‘interacting’ ? even if sub systems or parts are put together in the right order, they also need to interface correctly.


Is it feasable that this complex machine were the result of a progressive evolutionary development, in which simple molecules are the start of the biosynthesis chain and are then progressively developed in sequencial steps, if the end goal is not known by the process and mechanism promoting the development ? How could each intermediate in the pathway be a end point in the pathway, if that end point had no function ? Did not each intermediate have to be usable in the past as an end product ? And how could the be usable, if the amino acid sequence chain had only a fraction of the fully developed sequence ? How could successive steps be added to improve the efficiency of a product where there was no use for it at this stage ? Despite the fact that proponents of naturalism embrace this kind of scenario, it seems obvious that is extremely unlikely to be possible that way.

Martin and Koonin admit in their paper “Hypothesis: Introns and the origin of nucleus-cytosol compartmentalization,”: The transition to spliceosome-dependent splicing will also impose an unforgiving demand for inventions in addition to the spliceosome. And furthermore: More recent are the insights that there is virtually no evolutionary grade detectable in the origin of the spliceosome, which apparently was present in its (almost) fully fledged state in the common ancestor of eukaryotic lineages studied so far. Thats a surprising admittance.

ElShamah777 said...

This means that the spliceosome appeared fully formed almost abruptly, and that the intron invasion took place over a short time and has not changed for supposedly hundreds of millions of years.

In another interesting paper : Breaking the second genetic code, the authors write 2 : The genetic instructions of complex organisms exhibit a counter-intuitive feature not shared by simpler genomes: nucleotide sequences coding for a protein (exons) are interrupted by other nucleotide regions that seem to hold no information (introns). This bizarre organization of genetic messages forces cells to remove introns from the precursor mRNA (pre-mRNA) and then splice together the exons to generate translatable instructions. An advantage of this mechanism is that it allows different cells to choose alternative means of pre-mRNA splicing and thus generates diverse messages from a single gene. The variant mRNAs can then encode different proteins
with distinct functions. One difficulty with understanding alternative pre-mRNA splicing is that the selection of particular exons in mature mRNAs is determined not only by intron sequences adjacent to the exon boundaries, but also by a multitude of other sequence elements present in both exons and introns. These auxiliary sequences are recognized by regulatory factors that assist or prevent the function of the spliceosome — the molecular machinery in charge of intron removal.

Moreover, coupling between RNA processing and gene transcription influences alternative splicing, and recent data implicate the packing of DNA with histone proteins and histone covalent modifications — the epigenetic code — in the regulation of splicing. The interplay between the histone and the splicing codes will therefore need to be accurately formulated in future approaches.

Question: How could natural mechanisms have provided the tuning, synchronization and coordination between the histone and the splicing codes ? First, these two codes and the carrier proteins and molecules ( the hardware and software ) would have to emerge by themself, and in a second step orchestrate their coordination. Why is it reasonable to believe, that unguided, random chemical reactions would be capable of emerging with the immensly complex organismal functions ?

Fazale Rana puts it nicely : Astounding is the fact that other codes, such as the histone binding code, transcription factor binding code, the splicing code, and the RNA secondary structure code, overlap the genetic code. Each of these codes plays a special role in gene expression, but they also must work together in a coherent integrated fashion.

The whole truth said...

"the most complex macromolecular machine known"

So your imaginary sky daddy is a machinist?

The whole truth said...

"a amazingly complex molecular machine"

So your imaginary sky daddy is a machinist?

Life forms and their parts are machines?

ElShamah777 said...

Piotr
the very fact that you answered to my post supports my case. You were able to write a coded informational message.

Unknown said...

This is perfect example of why addressing IDiots is impossible. The awe inspiring, "AMAZING CELLULAR MACHINE X" must have been designed because there's lots of acronyms, lots of pieces, and dang it "I don't understand it so GODDIDIT!"

Low information is more dangerous than no information.

So ElShamah777: Do you think your claims are original? Evolutionary biologists haven't thought of these "problems"? What exactly do you think evolutionary biologists do all day?

peer said...

Why are we letting people do our big science questions with our own tax money if they are not even able to recognize design from non-design?

peer said...

This is indeed very interesting. In 2008/2009 I predicted from my frontloading stance in the JoC that this might happen. There is a tendency for reproducing entities that are asked to improve one trait to gain reproductive speed and loose frontloaded information. Here is the evidence:

Dr. Thompson peered inside his perfect offspring to gain insight into its methods, but what he found inside was baffling. The plucky chip was utilizing only thirty-seven of its one hundred logic gates, and most of them were arranged in a curious collection of feedback loops. Five individual logic cells were functionally disconnected from the rest— with no pathways that would allow them to influence the output— yet when the researcher disabled any one of them the chip lost its ability to discriminate the tones. Furthermore, the final program did not work reliably when it was loaded onto other FPGAs of the same type.

Life was frontloaded and evolves through rewiring and loss of preexisting (i.e. frontloaded) genetic circuitry.

peer said...

Mikkel, it is fairly easy...

You know already the changes by natural means. It is a rather small chance. Very very small.

If we factor in all biological minimalities for a functional selfreplicating system, the chance would be very very close to ZERO. According to atheist astrophysicist Hoyle it would be about 1/10^40000, for one living cell based on 2000 genes.

We can reduce the number of genes to 1000, but that would still a chance very close to Zero (1/10^18000). Even in 10^500 universes (the string theorists dream up) cells based on genes will not just happen to exist.

The chance of a designer is thus easily calculated as 1- zero = 1.

Dazz said...

How does that support frontloading in any way? Don't be ridiculous. It's just that, as Piotr explained, the algo was able to take advantage of the analogic particularities of the chip, not only the digital logic gates.
You see frontloading everywhere, just like those who see christ faces in bread toasts

peer said...

Better read up in the ID literature, Arlin, because you are reinventing the creation-science/ID models.

Darwinians have never been anything but science stoppers. Denying Mendel, denying McClintock, denying Margulis, denying or explaining away genetic redundancy, promoting junk DNA....

Time for a change.

peer said...

The only person making rational sense, here, is Elshama777.

"Functional proteins from a random sequence library" is just a joke for anyone who knows anything about biology. That they publish this type op jokes in science is indeed hilarious.

Do you guys, darwinians and the like, really belief that such papers really contribute to any understanding of anything...?

The Other Jim said...

"Denying Mendel,..."
How is developing the field of population genetics "denying Mendel"? Is your understanding of evolution pre-modern synthesis???

"...denying McClintock",
errr.... by giving her a Nobel Prize????

"...denying Margulis"
errr... by giving her all of the awards listed on the wiki page???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Margulis

"... denying or explaining away genetic redundancy"
Not right either...http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9217155

"...promoting junk DNA"
You confuse "promoting" and "debating the merits". I just saw an "evolutionist" paper again today claiming the adaptiveness of "genome size" (aka junk DNA). Mind you... the study also fails the onion test, and mis-interprets number of eggs as fitness, but this is a far cry from your strawman of a field "promoting" one view only.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26354938

In one short, three-line paragraph you give us 5 reasons to conclude that you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not really helping your case that ID proponents merit serious attention.

Ed said...

Interestingly though, it's Hoyle who thought viruses which arrived in comets from outer space have triggered evolution on the planet. Later on he also included HIV coming from outer space. And flu pandemics having an extra terrestrial cause, mainly triggered by solar flares.

Hoyle in one fell swoop (2d6 + 10) thus kills frontloading and the creationist version of the 2nd law of thermodynamics, aka CLOT.

Clearly genes came at regular interva flying in from outer space, thus they couldn't have been frontloaded at the start, because they weren't there in the first place. And the 1918 flu pandemic was caused as Hoyle said by the flu virus inside comets from outer space. Since Peer keeps on hammering on the fact that information has been lost since the start, certainly not gained by it falling out of the sky, frontloading can't be true. Because, as Hoyle says 'new information' came falling out of the sky, including HIV. Bye bye frontloading.

Secondly, it seems the earth isn't a closed system, as genes/ viruses came dropping in from outer space. Bye bye CLOT.

Interesting guy this Hoyle, wouldn't you say Peer?

Chris B said...

Peer,

Which of these are intelligently designed, and what empirical evidence do you have to support your conclusions:

1.Eubalaena glacialis

2. a diamond

3. Plasmodium falciparum

4. Hapuna Beach, Hawaii

You are free to get some of that tax money that supports real science. You will just need to come up with some worthwhile, testable hypotheses and compete against other grant applicants.

Chris B said...

Peer,

Are all the broken transposons in our genome part of this "front loading"? How does that work? What about the broken vitamin C sythesis genes we have, what is their purpose?

The Other Jim said...

Why would you assume the first cell could not replicate? Both the RNA world and the metabolism first theories have replication and biochemistry pre-dating anything you would consider a cell.

So how does one answer a faulty scenario, filled with incorrect assertions?

Another point - the first cell was at least 1.5 billion years older than your estimate. The first eukaryote may be 2 billion years old.

Chris B said...

Please, Steve, don't pretend this has nothing to do with your religious beliefs. If it were not for those delusional fantasies, you wouldn't give a crap about evolution, just like you don't give a crap about any other aspect of science. When you are still talking about 'the 2nd law' and 'entropy' as if it were some kind of argument against life, you prove you don't care about science at all, only misrepresenting it as a way to prop up your religious dogma.

You had to admit the Earth is not a closed system, which totally refutes the whole "2nd law' BS:

"Only an influx of energy will decrease the entropy. That influx of energy will come from the sun. So far so good."

Oops, time to move the goalposts! Now:

"The entropy level has to be just right for the cell to operate efficiently."

That is a bunch of made-up gibberish. You have zero idea what you are talking about. This has everything to do with god and creationism, and certainly nothing you are yammering about has anything to do with logic.

Piotr Gąsiorowski said...

Another point - the first cell was at least 1.5 billion years older than your estimate. The first eukaryote may be 2 billion years old.

Still another point: "the first cell" never existed. Since replication must be older than cellular life, any candidate for the status of "first cell" had an ancestor ALMOST identical with it. Cells as autonomous membrane-bounded units may have evolved gradually, via a continuum of "cell-like" stages.

Piotr Gąsiorowski said...

The entropy level has to be just right for the cell to operate efficiently.

No, the flux of energy in the Sun/Earth/cold outer space system produces enough entropy to support the biosphere a zillion times over -- far from "just enough" of it. And the earliest ecosystems didn't even need solar radiation. They thrived on inorganic sources of chemical energy (like many microorganisms do to this very day).

peer said...

Yes, it is frontloading, because the components required to build the linear CNE systems are alreayd present in the genome. Ask, Arlin, he will admit.

Unknown said...

ElShamah777 pulls the Dung Storm maneuver - tossing up half a dozen posts of gibberish to either drown me in garbage, or intimate me with a wall of impenetrable stupid.

Neither will work.

or vacuolar H+ PPases, the bacterial protein has only 30% identity to eukaryotic V-H+ PPases. Structure is far more conserved than sequence, and even then there are quite a few different structures that can do the same job.

Convergent evolution is a argument AGAINST evolution, nor FOR it:

Only if one is ignorant of real world biology, willfully stupid, or pathologically fixated on trivial similarities while ignoring more relevant differences.

It has been known for decades that phenotype - what an organism looks like - is indirectly generated from the genotype - what genes it has. The fact that two critters can look much alike and not be closely related hasn't been a problem for evolution since 1859.

Part II :
2. The STUPID idea that it had to fall together, all at once, purely by chance. No sane or rational person that actually understands real world biology believes any modern protein arose that way.


So what mechanism was involved to make the proteins and enzymes and metabolic pathways required for the first living cell to arise ? There was no replication yet........


You 'determined' that how, exactly ? Transcription is not replication.
If a string of amino acids fell together, it would leave no descendants BECAUSE THERE IS NO KNOWN WAY TO REVERSE TRANSLATE IT.

Thus life has used templated protein production for about 3.5 billion years.

Part III : 3. By actual laboratory experiments, the odds of a random peptide 70 amino acids long having a selectable function is actually 1 in 10^9 to 1 in 10^15

and you think that number speaks in favour for naturalistic explanations ?? LOL....


Well, by YOUR OWN Idiotic numerology, the 'odds' of a functional protein arising was 1 in 10^165; examination of REALITY shows the odds are just 1 in 10^9 to 1 in 10^15 - over 150 orders of magnitude more likely, and well within known natural mechanisms.

Unknown said...

Part IV :
a system can gain information by repeated CYCLES of variation filtered through selection.


The more name calling , the more foolish are the concrete counter proposals of the poster. That is YOUR case.

Lets for a moment grant that your CYCLES of variation filtered through selection would produce a functional protein. SO WHAT ??!!


It pretty much castrates your gibbering about the need for Magical Sky Pixies/"Intelligent Designers" to intervene.

Initiating standard Fallacy of Retrospective Astonishment :

For a working biological system to be built, the five following conditions would all have to be met:

C1: Availability. Among the parts available for recruitment to form the system, there would need to be ones capable of performing the highly specialized tasks of individual parts, even though all of these items serve some other function or no function.

C2: Synchronization. The availability of these parts would have to be synchronized so that at some point, either individually or in combination, they are all available at the same time.

C3: Localization. The selected parts must all be made available at the same ‘construction site,’ perhaps not simultaneously but certainly at the time they are needed.

C4: Coordination. The parts must be coordinated in just the right way: even if all of the parts of a system are available at the right time, it is clear that the majority of ways of assembling them will be non-functional or irrelevant.

C5: Interface compatibility. The parts must be mutually compatible, that is, ‘well-matched’ and capable of properly ‘interacting’: even if sub systems or parts are put together in the right order, they also need to interface correctly.

( Agents Under Fire: Materialism and the Rationality of Science, pgs. 104-105 (Rowman & Littlefield, 2004). HT: ENV.)


The reality-based community has observed that all 5 conditions can evolve.

Also the FACT that evolution is not looking for one particular solution - ANY viable configuration is A 'right answer'.

Thus your conditions are nothing more than irrelevant hallucinations.

If your functional protein has no use, and the information is not there to mount it at the right place, in the right manner, in the right sequence, fitting precisely at the right location, and able to interact with other functional proteins, nothing is done. And if you do not have a functional membrane in place, nothing done either.


What the 'right place/right time/right etc' is is determined LATER.

Again, twit : ANY viable configuration is 'right'. If a configuration leads to problems, it will probably become extinct; if a configuration is useful, it will tend to become quite prevalent in the gene pool; if a configuration offers neither aid nor trouble, it can persist in a gene pool for quite some time.

And membranes form by CHEMICAL means - just mixing the polar lipids with water WILL PRODUCE MEMBRANES. No intervention of proteins or Magical Sky Pixies required.

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