Saturday, February 24, 2007

The First Americans

 
 
In an article published in this week's Nature, Heidi Ledford asks Who Were the First American?.
For decades many archaeologists have believed that the first Americans belonged to what is called the Clovis culture — hunter-gatherers who lived in parts of North America roughly 13,000 calendar years ago.

A new study counters this notion by showing that the Clovis culture is nearly 500 years younger than previously thought, and may have lasted for as little as 200 years. There is evidence of other cultures in the Americas well before this new date.
Wait a minute? I thought America was a Christian nation? Now we're told that it was founded by primtive stone age hunter-gatherers who weren't even as advanced as the Clovis culture?

Hmmm ... makes sense to me.

4 comments :

  1. Wait a minute.... I thought you were a professor....
    "America" as a nation has nothing to do with the first inhabitants of the land, does it? In fact it wasn't even called America until Vespucci was around. I find these comments about as informed as the comments made here about Christians not being able to defend themselves. Christ told us to turn the other cheek when being robbed or insulted, but told us to sell our clothes if necessary if we didn't have a sword. And please don't pull the cutesy but also unintelligent diversion of saying that the directive was therefore ONLY for swords. There was a principle being elucidated. There are times when God will have us allow ourselves to be martyred, if you will, and times when we should defend our selves or others.
    Back to the original topic - if you are really gutsy and confident about your stand, then may I invite you to take on Dr. Walt Brown's challenge concerning origins. So far none of your colleagues have had the guts to do so. Put up, or shut up.

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  2. ""America" as a nation has nothing to do with the first inhabitants of the land, does it? In fact it wasn't even called America until Vespucci was around."

    And that fact makes you proud? Instead, that America wasn't founded by the indigenous population is an argument against the christian heritage.

    "I find these comments about as informed as the comments made here about Christians not being able to defend themselves. Christ told us to turn the other cheek when being robbed or insulted, but told us to sell our clothes if necessary if we didn't have a sword."

    I haven't seen these comments, but the above is a contradiction.

    The texts of christians are open to interpretation, but the most common one is that the more modern parts replaced the militarism of the earlier parts with pacifism.

    "Back to the original topic"

    But your link has nothing to do with the origins of Americas indigenous people.

    (Instead it is an YEC text. All kinds of science immediately refutes YEC. There is no 'disagreement' here, see http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/ if you are interested in why, and so no one would be interested in discussing Brown's BS.)

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  3. jspin,
    Playing the game of "Debate With Creationist Dolts" only lends false legitimacy to the Creationist Dolts. Notice that it is the Creationist Dolts lusting after the respect of science, not the other way around.

    Creationist Dolt Morris, Creationist Dolt Gish, and Creationist Dolt Johnson fully realize that the days of the Creationist Dolts are numbered. The Creationist Dolt position is so dire that the Creationist Dolt churches try to pay off young people with pools, arcades, movies, gyms and other entertainment opportunities. Realize that if the Creationist Dolt tripe were true, it would be consistent with natural law and thus not supernatural. Notice that the natural world leads an incontrovertible timestamped audit trail and creationism did not make it into the journal. No floods, no instaneous appearances of species. The Bible is a book of legends and myths, of well-known very human 100 percent supernatural-free origin. All gods are imaginary - Thor is imaginary, Zeus is imaginary, Bible God is imaginary. Creationism is a lie, pure and simple.

    The Union of Creationist Dolts(aka NAE), formerly headed by Ted Haggard, by their own numbers, estimates that their membership will dwindle by half by 2020, if they don't do some real "Jesus Camp" style psychological damage to their youngsters. But, one has to ask why would a child want to stay? The clergy are lying frauds with world domination political ambitions. Among American religious factions, the Creationist Dolts have the highest unwed pregnancy rate, the highest abortion rate, the highest violent crime rate, the lowest income levels, the lowest education levels, the most spouse abuse, the list goes on, but need anyone say more? Since the kids are leaving Creationist Dolt Christianity in huge numbers, maybe it means that the next generation are much brighter than their parents. They could not be dumber if they tried.

    Once creationism was the only game in town and so everybody was a subscriber. With the maturing of science, creationists came to be viewed as an uneducated throwback to repressive cultures. But, now, the word is out about the real-world understanding available through science. Creationists know it since they commit enormous amounts of time and money fighting it, not in science labs, but in the media. Since Creationist Dolts know that science is a superior tool for explaining the natural world, Creationism is a LIE. Creationist Dolts are LIARS.

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  4. Some Cre(a)tionists are fools, don't forget that!

    They've been had by the deliberate liars in charge, or have never actually been exposed to proper scientific debate and education.

    Remember, ignorance is cureable, but stupidity isn't .....

    I'm not sure whether "jspin" is a fool or a liar, but he (she?) must be one or t'other.

    And, from a quick glance "Dr" Walt Brown is what is called, in your part of the world, a kook.

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