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Friday, October 19, 2007

The Watson Affair

 
This Watson dust-up is going to get very interesting. First we have all those people who were quick to condemn Jim Watson as a low-life racist bigot on the basis of a few sentences in a newspaper article. That's before even hearing what he had to say about it.

Then we have the Science Museum canceling his talk on the grounds that they don't tolerate bigots. This is an incredible thing to do. Watson has been a well-known figure in scientific circles for half a century. It's just not credible that all of a sudden he has become such a racist that he's no longer welcome. He may be lots of things that people don't like but being a ugly racist isn't one of them.

On the other hand, we have the Newcastle Centre for Life and the Cambridge Union who are going ahead with plans to hear Watson speak. According to the Telegraph [Nobel Prize scientist 'mortified' at racist slur],
His earlier comments caused outrage among politicians and equality campaigners and led to the Science Museum cancelling a talk he was due to give. However, his planned appearance at Newcastle's Centre for Life on Sunday will go ahead, organisers said yesterday.

Linda Conlon, chief executive of the centre, said: "James Watson has been a regular visitor to Life and has often been outspoken and controversial. His views are not those held by the Centre but many people are keen to hear what he has to say. This discussion is part of a well established and popular lecture series, which gives the public an opportunity to explore and challenge topical life science issues."

The Cambridge Union said it would go ahead with a speech Dr Watson is due to deliver on Tuesday.

Roland Foxcroft, President of the Cambridge Union Society, said: "James Watson was invited to address the Union over two months ago. He was invited to discuss his past scientific achievements and the launch of his new book. We were unaware that he would make the comments that appeared in the Sunday Times Magazine, and we certainly did not invite him to speak to the Union in order to air these views or to support them.

"The Standing Committee of the Union has decided that the event should proceed in the name of the values of free speech and academic freedom with which we were founded. We would like to reiterate that Dr Watson's invite stands on the basis of his discovery of DNA and not on the basis of his social views."
Good for them. I'm glad to see that someone has some gumption. Now let's see how this plays out over the next few days and whether some politically correct people are willing to admit they went too far.

Admittedly, second-guessing Watson is complicated. But what upsets me the most is the totally irrational knee-jerk response of labeling him a racist. That just doesn't make sense. If he were the kind of racist that people are claiming he wouldn't have held the positions he held and he wouldn't have any friends in the scientific community.

Those friends have now commented [Nobelist's Race Comments Spark Outrage].
"Jim has a penchant for making outrageous comments that are basically poking society in the eye," Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Human Genome Research Institute, said Thursday.

Collins, who has known Watson for a long time, said his latest comments "really ... carried it this time to a much more hurtful level."

In a brief telephone interview, Collins told The AP that Watson's statements are "the wildest form of speculation in a field where such speculation ought not to be engaged in." Genetic factors for intelligence show no difference from one part of the world to another, he said.

Several longtime friends of Watson insisted he's not a racist.

"It's hard for me to buy the label `racist' for him," said Victor McElheny, the author of a 2003 biography of Watson, whom he's known for 45 years. "This is someone who has encouraged so many people from so many backgrounds."

So why does he say things that can sound racist? "I really don't know the answer to that," McElheny said.

Biologist and Nobel laureate Phil Sharp at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who's known Watson since 1971, said, "I've never considered Jim a racist. However, Jim likes to use statistics and observations to provoke people, and it is possible that he is provoking people by these comments."

Calling Watson "one of the great historical scientific figures of our time," Sharp said, "I don't understand why he takes it upon himself to make these statements."

Mike Botchan, co-chair of the molecular and cell biology department at the University of California, Berkeley, who's known Watson since 1970, said the Nobelist's personal beliefs are less important than the impact of what he says.

"Is he someone who's going to prejudge a person in front of him on the basis of his skin color? I would have to say, no. Is he someone, though, that has these beliefs? I don't know any more. And the important thing is I don't really care," Botchan said.

"I think Jim Watson is now essentially a disgrace to his own legacy. And it's very sad for me to say this, because he's one of the great figures of 20th century biology."
Watson has a history of "poking society in the eye" that's for sure. For some reason, this time it backfired big time. I guess it depends on whose eye is being poked. The Watson affair is sad because I have a fondness for curmudgeons. I hope it isn't a sign that any dissent from standard dogma will be severely punished.

What is this standard dogma? Francis Collins puts it well when he says, "Genetic factors for intelligence show no difference from one part of the world to another." This is something that nobody can question without being called a racist. See Race and Intelligence for more discussion and a possible exception.



22 comments :

A. Vargas said...

Larry, whta you are doing is comparable to talking about "the round earth dogma". Watson's is NOt speculation, it is false. These things have been studied and the matter has been settled. Race does not determine intelligence in any significant way. This is a SETTLED matter, no matter how many evolutionary psychologists and cloaked racists may think otherwise.

You are just upholding a myth as still valid.
I think this is becuase of the same reason watson has made this stupid mistake: because you are a biochemist. Biochemists lways want the explanation of everything to be at their molecular-gene level.
Intelligence is not such a trait, as we said, it has lots to do with learning and environment. Any neuroscientists knows about the incredible plasticity of the brain.
There is not a single gene shows to produce any notirious increase in IQ tests. itelligence is a coplex trait. We may spoil it by screwing with some of its gentic underpinning, as in down syndrome, but no single gene can simply shoot up intelligence.
To continue to insist in the face of the evidence that high IQ could somehow still be importantly determined by genetic variation in human populations is bad science. As simple as that.

Again: it is an aberration that you refuse to see the racism in Watson utterly stupid and unscientific remarks, on this pretense "equalness" on the basis of some crappy-ass speculation about jews being smartes (which is also, obviousy, an example of bad science that IS suspect of racism).
As tupaia has already found out, one of the authors of that article on the alleged intelligence of jews IS a freaking racist (even if he is not a jew)
See, for the pseudocientific, speculative racist, it does not matter WHICH group is better or worse; but juts to validate the LOGIC of racism.

Anonymous said...

Larry's point is absolutely valid: why is it that the only group allowed to be (scientifically) smarter than other groups, are the jews? Was it a unique selection event? Or was this one group "chosen" by divine intervention?

Greg Laden said...

Larry,

Here is my response to some of what you are saying here and elsewhere:
http://gregladen.com/wordpress/?p=1536#comment-92919

(anybody who reads that should go upstream in the thread to see L.M.'s comments)

I'm very happy to give Watson any break at all to see how this really plays out. If it turns out that this was entirely a fabrication of the newspaper, and he's not a racist, etc. etc., then I will very happily write a lengthy apology and I'll send him flowers etc.

He has a book coming out. There can be less room for ambiguity (or backpedaling or newspapers screwing up someone's quotes, etc.) with a book he wrote. Thi will, as you say, get interesting!

Cheers,

GTL

Greg Laden said...

Oh, and just in case you'all don't want to read my comments referred to above, let me say this: I totally agree with Moran: It is not OK to assert (based on the best available scientific evidence) that any link between "race" (blackness, in this case) and "lower intelligence" or "lower IQ" is false or untenable, but then go on and have another race (in this case a subset of Jews) be "racially smarter."

But you need to look into this more deeply. Who wrote this book we are talking about? What is the relationship between that author and, say Rushton? And Rushton and Watson? And Rushton and Murray? And Herrnstein (past tense ... he's dead)? And the Bradley Foundation? And so on and so on?

Anonymous said...

"If he were the kind of racist that people are claiming he wouldn't have held the positions he held and he wouldn't have any friends in the scientific community."

I think that's where you're wrong.

Anonymous said...

I don't buy it for a second. The man is either ignorant (hard to fathom that), cruel (making a point by demeaning blacks racially) or a racist who let his true views slip.

Regardless of which, he is demoted to crank in my view. Perhaps he could redeem some respect by coming clean – completely heartfelt clean by explanation and reforming his behavior.

While I appreciate his discovery (ies), I also know that if not he then some one else – perhaps someone more effective at using their stature to the benefit of society.

George in Oregon

A. Vargas said...

the truth is, modern insistence of the notion of racial differnces in IQ is in the form of pseudoscientific speculation; only evolutionary psychologists truly believe they are still into something.

Didin't Watson say that in 10 years, we woudl have figured out the gentci basis of intelligence? some racist asses are parroting this on other blogs.
In 10 years time, we will known that these people have no clue of how the development of intelligence works.

Orac said...

"If he were the kind of racist that people are claiming he wouldn't have held the positions he held and he wouldn't have any friends in the scientific community."

You've got to be kidding, or you're hopelessly deluded if you think that being a Nobel Laureate doesn't give one a wide degree of latitude, where colleagues will make excuses for offensive remarks and behavior. The difference here is that Watson didn't do it in private, where his friends could just poo-poo it and say something along the lines of, "That's just Jim being Jim." This time he made pseudscientific and racist remarks in a public forum, and his words were widely distributed. If he was somehow misquoted or taken out of context, that's one thing, and I'd certainly cut him a break in that case.

I don't think that's what happened here, though.

Bayman said...
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Bayman said...

sanders says,
"This is a SETTLED matter"

Sanders I think you misunderstand science. Science it not about settling things. That's for politicians and priests. Science is an ongoing dialogue, and only through continued debate can we reach any sort of objective truth.

A responsible scientist would say, "there is no evidence that race determines intelligence in any significant way" (incidentally this is pretty much what Watson said in a recent response). A responsible scientist does not say "stop talking about these things because they're settled, or imply that questioning truth might somehow destroy it.

Sanders I'm sure you have good intentions, but you need to stop trying to protect truth from criticism. Real truth doesn't need your coddling.

Anonymous said...

Admittedly, second-guessing Watson is complicated. But what upsets me the most is the totally irrational knee-jerk response of labeling him a racist. That just doesn't make sense. If he were the kind of racist that people are claiming he wouldn't have held the positions he held and he wouldn't have any friends in the scientific community.

I don't think the response is irrational, or knee-jerk; in fact, Watson is known for saying "provocative", bordering on repellant, things, and this just adds to a body of evidence, and pushes it definitively towards some unpleasant conclusions. I thought he was a bit nutty on some things before, but was willing to forgive the perhaps curmudgeonly utterances of an old man. But now now I see that these tendencies have coalesced into something more malign. I think its ugly.

"Totally irrational"? "Knee-jerk"? I don't think so. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

And saying that he has enduring respect within the science community is nothing but an appeal to authority.

A. Vargas said...

with guys like Larry around him, indulging and forgiving him on the basis of pure nobelophilia, it is not wonder Watson's brain has degenerated into a putrid mass.

A. Vargas said...

Nice, bayman. So if I say to you that evolution is a setteled matter, you will tell me that that is not scientific way, and that I should leave plenty of room for thr free speech of creationists.
"Nice"

This racist bullshit only survives, like ID, for ideological reasons. Look under "bad science".

Bayman said...

I think it's great that people want to keep challenging evolution. It gives us a reason to talk about all the great science that supports it.

Torbjörn Larsson said...

On the free speech thing, agreed: Watson is unduly repressed.

On someone being racist and yet hold positions and friends: Not true. I've mentioned Shockley. And I see this as the underlying problem here, Watson and other "curmudgeons" are too protected by their positions.

We have no lack of contrarian positions, the problem is that the espousers feel safe. I don't think a working scientist would have risked airing such unsubstantiated and inflammatory ideas outside his expertise.

Anonymous said...

Watson has a book coming out. By making an outrageous statement, he's getting a lot of free publicity. Look at the number of comments to these posts.

In the publishing world, bad publicity is almost as good as good publicity. Everyone wants to read your book to see if you're as bad as people said you were.

The bad thing is to be ignored.

I'm not saying he planned this. But who knows. He's an extremely bright guy.

A. Vargas said...

Take into account that Science readers are not precisely the same crowd that reads OJ Simpson. They do not want to be taught bullshit. I'll tell you though who will be very interested in reading it: racists.

I don't think there is going to be any special enthusiasm.
To qualify Wartson as brilliant for this work on DNA is similar to putting Collins on a pedstal for sequencing the human genome.
Someone would have done it anyways.

Great thinkers? Brilliant? Nope. They have proven that quiiiiite clearly.

A. Vargas said...

"I think it's great that people want to keep challenging evolution. It gives us a reason to talk about all the great science that supports it"

Some of us are a little bit more interested in evolution itself rather than eternally placing he focus on whether it happened or not. You know, "move on". I guess, bayman, that you think it would be a great thing if many people made a living from selling books challenging continental drift or, the round earth, you know.....every well established fact

I think you guys are confusing "free expression" with "assimilation of stupidity".
People can express whatever they want; but to respond like they have a shot at truth and poised an unsolvd challenge....your way of thinking assimilates stupidity and pseudocience: you give it a niche.

I have no idea why you guys get into such twists to condone this man. Watson can kiss my ass.

Bayman said...

"I guess, bayman, that you think it would be a great thing if many people made a living from selling books challenging continental drift or, the round earth"

Yes, I think the more people that put their thoughts into writing the better. They're certainly entitled to write what they want and try to sell it. Personally, if it was a serious book about how the Earth was round, for example, I wouldn't buy it or read it. I would also look at the author's name and remember it, so if I ever heard from him/her again, I would have an idea where he/she was coming from.

But no, this has nothing to do with condoning Watson. I hope I've clearly distinguished these points. You can disagree with someone and still respect their right to make and ass of themselves. The main problem here is that Watson has also made an ass of his colleagues and scientists in general.

Anonymous said...

Bayman:
“A responsible scientist would say, "there is no evidence that race determines intelligence in any significant way" (incidentally this is pretty much what Watson said in a recent response). A responsible scientist does not say "stop talking about these things because they're settled, or imply that questioning truth might somehow destroy it.”

From BBC news:

In his Sunday Times interview, Dr Watson was quoted as saying he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really".

"The overwhelming desire of society today is to assume that equal powers of reason are a universal heritage of humanity.

"It may well be. But simply wanting this to be the case is not enough. This is not science. To question this is not to give in to racism. This is not a discussion about superiority or inferiority, it is about seeking to understand differences, about why some of us are great musicians and others great engineers."

Yet, he is wrong even it was true that:
- The average of African’s measured IQ scores is smaller than the average for whites.
- There is a direct link between IQ score and “powers of reason”.
- IQ score is a causal result of bearing specific genes. (By the way, there is a plethora of papers “showing” that success in fields like math, music, arts, sports, IQ tests depends on “good genes” that preserve the upper classes more symmetrical.)
- High IQ bearers are necessary to manage further development and/or low IQ bearers did not contribute to progress.

If all the above was true, than I could infer that a smaller percent of Africans, as compared to Americans will make it into the upper classes. That’s all; will that ruin the prospects of Africa?

But not all is true. “It is not science” to bring back to public debate such a topic without new evidence.

Iant

Bayman said...

anonymous says,
“It is not science” to bring back to public debate such a topic without new evidence.

How then, would you suggest that university professors teach their students about science? "Sorry, we can't discuss whether the DNA molecule is a a triple helix or a double helix in class today because that matter is settled..."

Anonymous said...

Bayman,

1. It’s not about university students, but Sunday Times. It’s not teaching but throwing some vagaries about “their intelligence”, “all the testing” and “powers of reason” into a fallacious argument. The point is that his argument is false even if the average IQ for Africa is smaller then the average for the rest of the world.

2. It would be nice if He, the Nobel Price winner announces that in the light of new evidence, there is this and that insight into the long debated topic of intelligence in white and black human populations. It’s not what he says.

3. Maybe what’s “settled” is not repeating old concepts without new research?

Maybe he hopes that by making debatable statements researchers will be stimulated “to understand differences, about why some of us are great musicians and others great engineers.” Or more research will be funded? I think the study of such differences is interesting and may be of great value, but lately seems popularized only that stupid research about fluctuating asymmetry, musky signals and hunters/gatherers.

Iant