tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post8949685450812507414..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Niall Nóigiallach - Niall of the Nine HostagesLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-40407664011850816792018-08-16T15:02:57.594-04:002018-08-16T15:02:57.594-04:00Do you realize there is no evidence, only wild spe...Do you realize there is no evidence, only wild speculation to suggest M222 as Niall's?<br />In the listing of families allegedly stemming from Niall is Campbell.<br />The scientific basis? Exactly one Campbell.<br />Check the Campbell DNA project for a dose of reality.Over 99 percent of Campbell's are not M222.<br />Both the FTDNA O'Neill DNA and the M222 projects have sections called the Niall Question.<br />In both cases, it is left blank.<br />It is a fraudulent scam.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313915508492005696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-8583590711895474922017-02-03T22:50:01.010-05:002017-02-03T22:50:01.010-05:00My Ancestors where from Baguley next to Wythenshaw...My Ancestors where from Baguley next to Wythenshawe earliest recorded one 1175 my grandfather always said they originated in Ireland Rm222 Niall marker was the result....it was said that my ancestors came over with Vikings from Ireland ...family lore maybe true Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03378652812611583151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-33516742062649602292013-07-04T23:37:36.900-04:002013-07-04T23:37:36.900-04:00It will be interesting when someone works it out p...It will be interesting when someone works it out properly, I hope they find the missing pages. Anyway I doubt they were living on the banks of the Nile in Egypt as the O'Neils wiki says, ahaha. There are missing lines of families above O'Neil, they are just a side branch.<br /><br />There were no surnames earlier, so you can make many guesses, I can take llach and get something like this...<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lachish ?<br />or somewhere from Babylon<br /><br />According to an Israeli text I found (some dude deciphering the bible translation mistakes (of which there are many), LIach may be based on an ancient word for Lily Pad, to describe a body of trapped water. <br /><br />Another interesting path (that seems to lead everywhere, most cultures have it somewhere)... Bulls seem to be a feature of the bible.. bi Bull, lol. One of the first religions in Africa have the earth resting on the two horns of a bull.<br /><br />An early god maybe is eebe.. Sheba... eve (corrupted? like The God Sin, became evil sin?)<br />eebe is waaj ... (sky-god), but sounds like "water" to me.<br /><br />To work it out you would need to look at every language down to rift languages, but then it becomes hard to workout who learned what from who.anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00033310682273264262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-81284768107961582882013-07-03T02:59:51.801-04:002013-07-03T02:59:51.801-04:00Yes, it can get creepy.
The ONeils, OBriens and o...Yes, it can get creepy.<br /><br />The ONeils, OBriens and other clans have re-written some history, things do not match up, maybe why some pages were hidden which contain the linage and why they tried to control the monasteries.<br /><br />Not many people ever list hUallachan or hUallachain<br /><br />There are 2 separate hUallachain clans one is close to Gallagher and like Doughertys, 12 marker DNA was off by 1. One is not m222.<br /><br />Allach ... god, probably forest-water or water god, biblical flood probably made it the dominant god, so the royal line from after the flood used it.<br />The clan name is Failge so Fail... Ireland<br />Fail also is "ring" or "armband"... At our fort a body was found in the bog that was wearing an armband. It even gets weird... in the bible Jacob fashioned his rods to create ring patterns on the cows (he was obsessed by it).<br /><br />(Genesis 28:17-22 - Bethel / Lia Fail / Stone of Destiny) <br /><br />Stones of destiny are all over where they went... Greece/Sweden/Wales, etc<br /><br />Fail is also one of the cities founded in the bible.<br /><br />Many Kings and towns with alla in name between Iraq and Ireland<br />Bishops with alla <br />... keeps going, even the name Allan is common.<br /><br />I think they came up round the top of Europe (Belgium/Sweden) and the second group round the bottom.anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00033310682273264262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-58507952388522093132012-09-10T12:51:21.926-04:002012-09-10T12:51:21.926-04:00Bob, this is due in large part the how names are p...Bob, this is due in large part the how names are pronounced versus how they are recorded in history. I believe, based on your genetic results at the 37 marker level that you are descended from Conn, through Art mac Cuinn and a brother of Niall, as much as a descendant of Niall. MacKown can be interpreted to become a phonetic equivalent to Cuinn in some areas of Scotland and in the Appalachian Mountains of North Carolina, Tennesee and West Virginia in the United States. The spelling and meaning are that of Quinn which as you move away from the North Carolina mountains north to the Alleghenies of Northern Virginia, Delaware and Pennsylvania you find the name expressed as either McGwyn, McGown and sometimes as McConn. All you have to do is make an attempt to isolate someone with that dialect and ask them to pronounce the name QUINN. I promise, you will be astounded.The Quinn Genetics for North American Ancestorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13565652148977247781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-38065849332862654682011-05-12T15:46:36.581-04:002011-05-12T15:46:36.581-04:00We are Doughertys also and our 12 marker DNA was o...We are Doughertys also and our 12 marker DNA was off by 1 of at one of the 12 markers. This means that Niall and our family were both descendants of someone even further back in time. Check out Hart's Pedigree of The Irish Nation for a list of hundreds of predecessors of Niall. While I am not sure how this ancient history would stand up to today's DNA standards let alone the academic standards for Historians, at least it puts names on the trek of the West Atlantic male from Africa, to the Near East, to western Europe (Spain) and then to Ireland.<br />As to the perils of ancestor worship, most descendants of NW Ulster immigrants to America are painfully aware of the <br />Of the suffering and oppression these tortured souls endured over the last 350 years and few will find "high status." Maybe if these armchair philosophers look at their own smooth hands and then spread their fingers so they could look back at all of the rough and gnarled hands that preceded theirs, they would have a little empathy of what those who came before them went through to allow those smooth hands to so easily criticize.<br /> <br />American O'DohertyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-92144108568695849262011-03-05T10:18:03.342-05:002011-03-05T10:18:03.342-05:00All this prattle about wanting to find a famous an...All this prattle about wanting to find a famous ancestor misses the point. If an ancestor was NOT famous, we'd have never heard of him and he'd probably have been lost to history. It's only famous ones we are likely to find. <br /><br />- Another Anonymoose (and allegedly a Niall descendant)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-37537598508821051152011-03-05T00:00:28.730-05:002011-03-05T00:00:28.730-05:00I'm related too. i just found out not that lon...I'm related too. i just found out not that long ago that my great grandpa's mother's maden name was McLaughlin, one of the clans with disputed claim to the High Kingship of Ireland and Scotland. Her father came from Ireland to America, and eventually ended up in the Plains. I havent really gotten back much farther than that but we are working on it. Any tips on how I could trace backwards? For free? I'm sixteen and havent found a job yet so that would be difficult. I would appreciate the help. And biblically speaking we all come from Adam and Eve and then Noah, his wife, and his sons and theirs. so we are all related from those common ancestors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-58223781988097423472011-01-24T17:49:30.565-05:002011-01-24T17:49:30.565-05:00Well now, very lovely site!
Although a Rooney (fro...Well now, very lovely site!<br />Although a Rooney (from Down, I believe), my haplotype reads r 1b 1b 2a 1b 5b...M222+. It appears that Nialls genes run in my clan as well.Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-55546929430069869052010-10-11T18:59:27.379-04:002010-10-11T18:59:27.379-04:00Though my last name is not any of the above (McKow...Though my last name is not any of the above (McKown), I also am related to Naill. I found this out through Y-DNA testing. My Haplogroup is R1b with 13 25 14 11 11 13 12 12 12 13 14 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 18 30 15 16 17 17 11 11 19 23 16 16 17 17 38 39 12 12 My testing was done by, Family Tree DNA to the 37 marker.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02173194719868027535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-26739721257631142862010-05-19T18:20:00.619-04:002010-05-19T18:20:00.619-04:00I also have just found out by testing my Paternal ...I also have just found out by testing my Paternal DNA the following that I am R1b1b2a1a2f2 with marker M222. <br />Which, I find very intersting. I did know about my family history. Thus I can now pass on this information.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-18857930737116365862010-03-31T20:50:01.224-04:002010-03-31T20:50:01.224-04:00My surname is listed also - Gormley. I find all t...My surname is listed also - Gormley. I find all this very fascinating - not out of ancestor worship but just because I love my Irish heritage, and I still have relatives (Catholic) in Omagh in County Tyrone. Now how did they wind up there from Donegal? Does anyone know a blood type for Niall? I guess there is no way to trace the female lineage when one's father is deceased?Nancyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11926160625275737447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-76537055128013270462010-01-29T22:36:22.729-05:002010-01-29T22:36:22.729-05:00R1b1b2a1a2f2 This subclade is defined by the prese...R1b1b2a1a2f2 This subclade is defined by the presence of the marker M222. It is particularly associated with the Irish and Scots. In this case, the relatively high frequency of this specific subclade among the population of certain counties in northwestern Ireland may be due to positive social selection, as it is suggested to have been the Y-chromosome haplogroup of the Uí Néill dynastic kindred of ancient Ireland <br />I am a decendant of Niall of the Nine hostages one of 3 millon i have been tested any questions?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07314123712377968078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-23353059916382515052008-10-28T21:10:00.000-04:002008-10-28T21:10:00.000-04:00As you go farther back it becomes low odds that yo...As you go farther back it becomes low odds that you share even one chromosome with the ancestor--except, perhaps, a Y chromosome. And you get to a point where each person in the past population is theoretically ancestral to either all people now, or none of them.Monadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12523329434641725631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-40778537010956972792008-10-28T21:06:00.000-04:002008-10-28T21:06:00.000-04:00I read year's ago in How to Live with a Cat that S...I read year's ago in <I>How to Live with a Cat</I> that Succat could be translated as either "the good warrior" or "the happy cat", or I suppose vice versa.Monadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12523329434641725631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-33928799931211344572008-10-25T13:38:00.000-04:002008-10-25T13:38:00.000-04:00"I observe that people take comfort in relationshi..."I observe that people take comfort in relationships. I observe that people take comfort in knwoing about ancestors. My son for example likes to hear stories about his great grandfather."<BR/><BR/>I would only point out that such interest in ancestors often has a very strong ethnic and ideological undercurrent that isn't aways beneficial. It can be a way of indoctrinating children into beliefs of "blood ties" etc. that form the basis of later biases, often unconcious ones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-30578070619762608532008-10-25T11:06:00.000-04:002008-10-25T11:06:00.000-04:00Peter says,Unless I'm missing something, there's n...Peter says,<BR/><BR/><I>Unless I'm missing something, there's no evidence that you're descended from Niall, only that you're descended from him [i]or one of his Y-chromosomal ancestors[/i].</I><BR/><BR/>You're missing something, especially the part where I said,<BR/><BR/><I>Recently I discovered that my ancestors connect to the Niall lineage through English and through Scottish lines that are completely unrelated to the Doherty's. ...<BR/><BR/>In my case, the connections come through Isabel de Clare, grandmother of Robert the Bruce of Scotland, and through Isabel Mar, the wife of Robert the Bruce. Niall Nóigiallach is one of my ancestors.</I>Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-74817003337825692472008-10-25T04:03:00.000-04:002008-10-25T04:03:00.000-04:00Unless I'm missing something, there's no evidence ...Unless I'm missing something, there's no evidence that you're descended from Niall, only that you're descended from him [i]or one of his Y-chromosomal ancestors[/i].<BR/><BR/>Or have the genealogists demonstrated unequivocally that there was some mutation in Niall's Y chromosome and that his specific Y lineage is distinguishable?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12559721137290332762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-60967443810617529992008-10-24T19:23:00.000-04:002008-10-24T19:23:00.000-04:00Solace:I observe that people take comfort in relat...Solace:<BR/><BR/>I observe that people take comfort in relationships. I observe that people take comfort in knwoing about ancestors. My son for example likes to hear stories about his great grandfather. We live in a world with more than 6 billion people, all releated to each other<BR/><BR/>No matter how hard we might try at times to find distinctions to hate, it is more important to understand our relationships.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-64693522703128664022008-10-24T15:46:00.000-04:002008-10-24T15:46:00.000-04:00It is odd that for someone so curious you appear t...It is odd that for someone so curious you appear to be entirely incurious about your own motivations. Do you think curiosity is genetic?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-8444153349856633802008-10-24T14:29:00.000-04:002008-10-24T14:29:00.000-04:00"People aren't just curious. Their curiosity is al..."People aren't just curious. Their curiosity is always motivated."<BR/><BR/>How boring, drab, and uninteresting. I'm naturally curious. I've dropped batteries into cups of water, just because I wondered what would happen. I've veered off trails, because I was curious what was out of sight. I sequenced bits of my genome, just because I thought it'd be neat to know what's there. And I know I'm not the only one to be interested in the world around us.<BR/><BR/>The world is a cool place. It's five times more fascinating than any of us think it is. It's filled with neat little bits, and cool facts about the past and about the future. If you want to split hairs, it's because my brain chemistry has predisposed me to receiving some sort of jolt of pleasurable feelings when I learn something new and fascinating. But what the heck is wrong with that, eh?TwoYakshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18004999495564178762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-72369046463498704562008-10-24T14:19:00.000-04:002008-10-24T14:19:00.000-04:00"It isn't enough to be interested in our ancestors..."It isn't enough to be interested in our ancestors for the sake of being interested in our ancestors? Where's the curiosity?"<BR/><BR/>The question I ask is: why do we seek famous ancestors? Why are we curious about their existence or not? <BR/><BR/>People aren't just curious. Their curiosity is always motivated. What motivates curiosity about genealogy? I've noticed this in my own family: As people get older they become more interested in their ancestors. Why? Are they seeking a kind of immortality in the idea of genetic transmission? My younger relatives aren't nearly as interested.<BR/><BR/>And why am I curious about these motivations? Because I am curious about the evolutionary psychology of H. sapiens. And why am I curious about that? Because I think knowledge of human nature and behaviour could help us solve some of our problems. <BR/><BR/>Or maybe I'm just displaying....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-88765069080342072482008-10-24T14:10:00.000-04:002008-10-24T14:10:00.000-04:00I wonder more than a bit about the anonymous - it ...I wonder more than a bit about the anonymous - it isn't enough to be interested in our ancestors for the sake of being interested in our ancestors? Where's the curiosity?<BR/><BR/>Back on topic, I wonder if there's a way to look at the distribution of sex linked markers and use them to find events and individuals with no a priory knowledge of the region's history. It makes sense that wars would infrequently leave a genetic signature - too often in human history, to the victor went the spoils. But I could see this being somewhat difficult, as areas likely to have been in conflict (and likely to have these super-males) are also likely to be related to begin with.TwoYakshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18004999495564178762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-64449033401727479342008-10-24T13:01:00.000-04:002008-10-24T13:01:00.000-04:00"Niall is also famous for another reason. >..."Niall is also famous for another reason. >>>DNA studies<<< indicate that one in twelve Irish men carry a Y chromosome haplotype that traces back to Niall."<BR/><BR/>The link is to a site called "Famous DNA". <BR/><BR/>Why do we all want to discover that we have "famous" DNA? I admit it would FEEL GOOD somehow to know I was related to Julius Caesar, say, but why? Bragging rights? Novelty?<BR/><BR/>I think the emotional satisfaction that such knowledge might provide is the same emotional satisfaction that people get when they think of themselves as "children of God". It is a RELIGIOUS feeling. <BR/><BR/>But perhaps H. sapiens has a desire or drive to experience that feeling. People who have been deprived of knowledge of their immediate or ancestral pasts (adoptees and descendants of people who were enslaved, for example) long to know where they came from and from whom. Sometimes there are good medical reasons, but mostly the motivation stems from emotional centres.<BR/><BR/>In these kinds of human longings we can see the emotional (and evolutionary) origin of religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-51634824095241765962008-10-24T12:30:00.000-04:002008-10-24T12:30:00.000-04:00Donegal isn't actually in Northern Ireland - it's ...Donegal isn't actually in Northern Ireland - it's in the Republic of Ireland, although indeed in the geographical north ;)C Mchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04967469327625051826noreply@blogger.com