tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post8778844166562903114..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Florabama speaksLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-3627363891730963322015-11-08T19:20:26.515-05:002015-11-08T19:20:26.515-05:00Well, your post is pretty scary, though not for th...Well, your post <i>is</i> pretty scary, though not for the reasons you have in mind.Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-29343508955293879472015-11-07T21:45:52.505-05:002015-11-07T21:45:52.505-05:00By the way, max, thank you for your contributions ...By the way, max, thank you for your contributions to the fact that people who push 'intelligent design' and condemn evolutionary theory are religious kooks. The whole truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219999357041824471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-44966239668615847492015-11-07T21:36:35.456-05:002015-11-07T21:36:35.456-05:00max preached:
"Piotr, Yes, little children s...max preached:<br /><br />"Piotr, Yes, little children should believe that humans, birds and whales were spoken into existence by God because that is how it happened."<br /><br />Hey max, were/are cancer and other diseases in children and adults "spoken into existence by God"? Were/are cancer and other diseases in animals "spoken into existence by God"? How about plant diseases? Is there anything that "God" didn't/doesn't speak into existence? Which so-called "God" are you talking about? Who or what spoke that so-called "God" into existence? How about all of the other so-called 'Gods'? Were they 'spoken into existence"? Did they and do they speak things into existence? <br /><br />How do you know that humans, birds and whales (or anything else) were "spoken into existence by God because that is how it happened"? Were and are you there when "God" spoke and speaks things into existence? Do you have any idea of how crazy you are?The whole truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219999357041824471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-18910714823047311902015-11-07T18:42:29.938-05:002015-11-07T18:42:29.938-05:00Max, your last paragraph is probably the stupidest...Max, your last paragraph is probably the stupidest thing I've read this month (and I've had a look at UD a few times, so it isn't for lack of competitors).Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-45312405037368898742015-11-07T18:24:05.576-05:002015-11-07T18:24:05.576-05:00Instead, little children should believe that human...Instead, little children should believe that humans, birds and whales were poofed into existence by an invisible magic being. And they should not grow out of this infantile belief.Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-20332281162480521142015-11-06T10:43:01.724-05:002015-11-06T10:43:01.724-05:00Hmm, February 1st - would have thought April 1 was...Hmm, February 1st - would have thought April 1 was the more appropriate date.judmarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03111006189037693272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-58523404911072150122015-11-06T08:33:54.076-05:002015-11-06T08:33:54.076-05:00It's old news by now.
http://dailycurrant.com/...It's old news by now.<br />http://dailycurrant.com/2013/02/01/message-god-hidden-dna-sequence/Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-60904319476766892502015-11-06T07:16:37.847-05:002015-11-06T07:16:37.847-05:00Pope Pius IX by the bull Aeterni Patris of 29 June...<i>Pope Pius IX by the bull Aeterni Patris of 29 June 1868 said: "If anyone says that the one, true God, our creator and lord, cannot be known with certainty from the things that have been made, BY THE NATURAL LIGHT OF HUMAN REASON: let him be anathema."<br /><br />He was way ahead of his time.</i><br /><br />Someone even further ahead of his time was Bishop Nicholas of Cusa. Writing about the problem of knowing and understanding a deity that no human being could look upon, and whom few if any had heard, he said:<br /><br /><i>Ignorance will enlighten us in incomprehensible ways.</i><br /><br />By that standard, I'd say you're one of the most enlightened folks here.judmarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03111006189037693272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-17242976933560036672015-11-06T07:12:14.422-05:002015-11-06T07:12:14.422-05:00Sal Cordova seems to understand thermodynamics.
V...<i>Sal Cordova seems to understand thermodynamics.</i><br /><br />Very amusingly, Sal believes in something he calls "DNA steganography," which says that if we truly work out the genetic code for each form of life there will be a part of the code that actually spells out the message "Built by God," or words to that effect.judmarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03111006189037693272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-91252050819356688132015-11-06T07:07:32.411-05:002015-11-06T07:07:32.411-05:00I wonder Larry, is excess reproduction a result of...<i>I wonder Larry, is excess reproduction a result of random genetic drift?</i><br /><br />This is a nonsensical question demonstrating a lack of understanding of both genetic drift and "excess" reproduction.judmarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03111006189037693272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-58561323804914139042015-11-06T06:58:33.670-05:002015-11-06T06:58:33.670-05:00Max,
If Larry deletes your posts, you may justly ...Max,<br /><br />If Larry deletes your posts, you may justly pride yourself on having made a correct prediction -- an extremely rare feat among creationists. But you have contributed nothing to any of the discussions conducted here, so I'm afraid you won't be missed, and your martyrdom will be in vain. Censorship is one thing, and carting dirt away is another.Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-3651407465376650852015-11-06T06:48:25.574-05:002015-11-06T06:48:25.574-05:00Max,
not only is your behavior very rude and obno...Max, <br />not only is your behavior very rude and obnoxious, you seem to think only you are allowed freedom of speech. <br /><br />But you, Jack and this floor chap, demonstrate the typical behavior of ID proponents. This behavior seems to me to be the main reason ENV doesn't allow comments, with friends like these, you don't need enemies.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15924368353226400878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-49142767835704107002015-11-06T06:12:17.110-05:002015-11-06T06:12:17.110-05:00Max, why should he remove comments, unless they we...Max, why should he remove comments, unless they were offensive or obnoxious like this one? In this case I'd give him every right to delete it. <br /><br />Deleting your offensive and obnoxious comments doesn't mean you're right Max. You can hide behind the 'deleting comments' smoke screen, but at the end of the day, you're only fooling yourself. <br /><br /><br />Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15924368353226400878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-20308001325460839062015-11-03T23:34:51.084-05:002015-11-03T23:34:51.084-05:00Come on. Its not that bad. Once in a while my brai...Come on. Its not that bad. Once in a while my brain is ahead of the typing.<br />or the other way around. Whops you might say thats garbled and company.<br />Yet it makes sense to me. if that helps it.Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-76142042967360482722015-11-03T10:42:42.163-05:002015-11-03T10:42:42.163-05:00Max says: "Design is the evidence."
And...Max says: <i>"Design is the evidence."</i><br /><br />And I say the problem is that the "theory of intelligent design" has a well constructed "premise" that requires the ID movement to get on the same page and coherently explain how "intelligent cause" works:<br /><br /><i>The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an <strong>intelligent cause</strong>, not an undirected process such as natural selection.</i><br /><br />Talking about the odds of something randomly occurring has become boring, even to those like me who do not argue with that and are simply waiting to see what else you have.<br /><br />Where is your testable model to explain how <strong>intelligent cause</strong> works?<br />Gary Gaulinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10925297296758439900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-69973907719194099692015-11-03T10:38:06.681-05:002015-11-03T10:38:06.681-05:00Maybe Beau Stoddard will be able to list for us so...Maybe Beau Stoddard will be able to list for us some of the areas of science in which all the questions have been answered and in which there is absolutely no disagreement. Or maybe it's all of them, with the one exception of evolutionary biology. Odd that all those physicists, chemists, geologists, and astronomers keep drawing pay cheques, when there's nothing left for them to do.Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-40775641048986413212015-11-03T08:19:28.320-05:002015-11-03T08:19:28.320-05:00Beau I don't know Jack [...]
Sorry, couldn&#...Beau <i>I don't know Jack [...]</i> <br /><br />Sorry, couldn't resist. Turns out even quote mining isn't beneath me!AllanMillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05955231828424156641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-57881254581951638062015-11-03T07:41:28.226-05:002015-11-03T07:41:28.226-05:00All pro-ID arguments paraded so far boil down to t...All pro-ID arguments paraded so far boil down to this:<br /><br />[a picture showing something complicated, borrowed from real scientists]<br /><br /><i>Wow! Look! Design!</i>Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-40638186091030559232015-11-03T07:35:00.056-05:002015-11-03T07:35:00.056-05:00Max shows us the evolution of the ID proponent:
&q...Max shows us the evolution of the ID proponent:<br />"Intelligent Design is redundant. Design is the evidence" and ` The ONLY argument you have against design is denial.`<br /><br />Actually the only argument needed against design is lack of evidence in FAVOR of design. <br />Negative attacks on evolution, doesn´t mean ID/ D is true. You need positive evidence, and up 'til now, no ID proponent has coughed up the evidence. Would like to give it a try Max?<br />Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15924368353226400878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-86775157630563255032015-11-03T06:38:39.507-05:002015-11-03T06:38:39.507-05:00The ONLY argument you have against design is denia...<i>The ONLY argument you have against design is denial.</i><br /><br />Which is, it is well known, powerless against the mighty force of Assertion. AllanMillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05955231828424156641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-24888122740221499742015-11-03T06:24:56.441-05:002015-11-03T06:24:56.441-05:00I'm not smart enough to understand the actual ...<i>I'm not smart enough to understand the actual science but it's apparent that there is plenty of disagreement within evolutionary thinking. That seems to fuel the creationist's doubt in evolution.</i><br /><br />Oh. So there is complete agreement among creationists as to whether common descent is true, whether the earth is 4 billion years old or 6000 years old, whether the "intelligent designer" is the version of God described by Judaism, Catholicism, Protestatism, Mormonism or Islam, etc. You think?<br /><br />Science isn't the only thing you're not smart enough to understand, Beau. Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-57863071734540890402015-11-03T03:57:40.363-05:002015-11-03T03:57:40.363-05:00Heat ? What heat, Max ? Talking such nonsense leav...Heat ? What heat, Max ? Talking such nonsense leaves most people cold ...Eelco van Kampenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15766626420689307304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-49489937825505311642015-11-03T00:56:24.705-05:002015-11-03T00:56:24.705-05:00Prof. Moran you have the patience of a saint. Sor...Prof. Moran you have the patience of a saint. Sorry I was so snippy with you about Dover, I wasn't myself. As for the ID crowd, their unwavering belief in their own "inerrancy" sure sounds like religious faith to me, rather than confidence in the science.Tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17631163277582196326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-80613767349241207692015-11-02T21:39:36.650-05:002015-11-02T21:39:36.650-05:00Beau,
"but it's apparent that there is p...Beau,<br /><br /><i>"but it's apparent that there is plenty of disagreement within evolutionary thinking."</i><br /><br />I don't know what qualifies as "plenty" to you, but I do expect to see a lot of disagreement among any groups of scientists. The central question is not whether there's disagreement, but whether the disagreement is about evolution being a real thing. It doesn't matter if Larry thinks that most of what we see is the result of drift, and Dawkins thinks it's all the result of positive selection. What matters is that there's enough fuel in that discussion to get to the data and check and see if an answer can be achieved. But we should not mistake that to doubt about whether evolution has occurred and continues to occur. Thinking that arguments, however strong, between scientists about one or another mechanism doesn't mean that evolution is false. It just means that we have still something to discover about it.<br /><br /><i>"That seems to fuel the creationist's doubt in evolution."</i><br /><br />Bullshit. The only fuel is their religious beliefs. Real scientific disagreements are excuses that creationists use to propel their bullshit, but it has nothing to do with their "doubts" about evolution in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-76792754163163169052015-11-02T21:31:38.767-05:002015-11-02T21:31:38.767-05:00I don't know Jack so i can't speak to that...I don't know Jack so i can't speak to that. Philosophy has a tendency to have a wide variety of views. Surprisingly so does science. I'm not smart enough to understand the actual science but it's apparent that there is plenty of disagreement within evolutionary thinking. That seems to fuel the creationist's doubt in evolution. Beau Stoddardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03617924374387662273noreply@blogger.com