tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post8442013476391658514..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Center for Inquiry Canada: New Associate MembersLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-89332233163163061292011-12-23T10:02:24.862-05:002011-12-23T10:02:24.862-05:00I submitted my application to be an Associate Memb...I submitted my application to be an Associate Member via email on December 8. <br /><br />I received the same letter as Dr. Moran on December 21. <br /><br />My assumption was that my late submission and living in Toronto were factors in the board selecting others. <br /><br />Given the other issues the board had to address on December 11, I would not be surprised if full consideration of all AM applications was deferred to March.Leslie Rosenbloodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16348048564434945617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-54061735811937620682011-12-22T23:25:02.081-05:002011-12-22T23:25:02.081-05:00Larry's AM application: delivered to CFI Toron...Larry's AM application: delivered to CFI Toronto office on 28 November.<br /><br />Seanna's AM application: emailed to Kevin Smith on 29 November. <br /><br />Small data set, but directly contradicts my statement, which I hereby withdraw, with apologies. I was told that the board had so many applications that they could only act on a few of them, and deferred the rest for later. I am surprised to hear that the sorting of applications was not based on date they were received by the board, and I am at a loss to understand decision criteria that would qualify me to be an Associate Member but not Larry.Seanna Watsonhttp://cfiottawa.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-29668922394738155402011-12-22T20:23:31.591-05:002011-12-22T20:23:31.591-05:00Larry,
It doesn't seem to be anything to do wi...Larry,<br />It doesn't seem to be anything to do with timing - I only got my application in a couple of days before the meeting, so you beat me to it. So I don't know why you weren't admitted when others were.<br /><br />I do hope that this is a temporary decision, though, as you ought to be one of the most obvious candidates for AM - well-known atheist activist, founding member of CASS, and long-time CFI Canada advisor and member. Recognising this, I expect the board to approve your application ahead of the AGM in March. If they don't, it can only be for political reasons.Iainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09376945981386467046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-34142705190447810662011-12-21T16:00:33.634-05:002011-12-21T16:00:33.634-05:00Seanna says,
As for the rejection of some applica...Seanna says,<br /><br /><i>As for the rejection of some applicants but not others, it is my understanding that this was based on the timing of the receipt of the applications.</i><br /><br />Who told you this?<br /><br />It's easy to test that hypothesis. I was told that I had to deliver my application to the CFI office in Toronto c/o Kevin Smith. I submitted my application to Michael Payton in the CFI office on Monday, November 28, 2011. Seanna, when did your application get to the office?<br /><br />Can others please post when they sent in their applications for CFI Associate Membership? I'm particularly interested in those who were accepted.<br /><br />Iain? I'm sure you're reading these comments. Bryan? Craig? Marlowe?<br /><br />Does anyone have email addresses for those three new Associate Members?Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-18528300795579794762011-12-21T15:51:50.922-05:002011-12-21T15:51:50.922-05:00Seanna says,
As for the rejection of some applica...Seanna says,<br /><br /><i>As for the rejection of some applicants but not others, it is my understanding that this was based on the timing of the receipt of the applications.</i><br /><br />Who told you this?<br /><br />It's easy to test that hypothesis. I was told that I had to deliver my application to the CFI office in Toronto c/o Kevin Smith. I submitted my application to Mike in the CFI office on Monday, December 5, 2011. Seanna, when did your application get to the office?<br /><br />Can others please post when they sent in their applications for CFI Associate Membership? I'm particularly interested in those who were accepted. <br /><br />Iain? I'm sure you're reading these comments. Bryan? Craig? Marlowe?<br /><br />Does anyone have email addresses for those three new Associate Members?Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-20470632530141903342011-12-21T15:25:31.330-05:002011-12-21T15:25:31.330-05:00Larry Moran said...
Seanna,
I thought I ...Larry Moran said...<br /><br /><i> Seanna,<br /><br /> I thought I made it pretty clear that I wasn't referring to you or Iain.</i><br /><br />Yes, upon re-reading I appear to have missed that. <br /><br />As for the rejection of some applicants but not others, it is my understanding that this was based on the timing of the receipt of the applications.Seanna Watsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-84735411663627289512011-12-21T14:37:11.504-05:002011-12-21T14:37:11.504-05:00anonymous says,
2. has not publicly criticized th...anonymous says,<br /><br /><i>2. has not publicly criticized the board of directors. If these were the criteria used, Larry would have failed on criterion 2.</i><br /><br />I don't agree.<br /><br />I've been in touch with several directors and they aren't under any illusions about their chances of surviving the next AGM. In fact, they probably won't even run for another term.<br /><br />These are smart people. They know where the buck stops and they know that they have to take responsibility for their decisions over the past year.<br /><br />In their earlier letter, the Board declared that they were opposed to "stacking" meetings in favor of one point of view. That's why when ten supporters of Jason showed up on December 11th they only allowed them into the meeting for an hour or so while they each only made a very short presentation to the Associate Members. <br /><br />There's no reason to suspect that the Board of Directors will behave any differently when it comes to choosing new Associate Members. They seek diversity, and that means diversity of opinion (presumably).<br /><br />The Board will be looking for new Associate Members who have a long-term comittment to CFI and/or other skeptic/atheist/humanist groups. They'll try to attract people with wisdom and experience and with the best long-term interests of CFI in mind.Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-74483995512385861032011-12-21T13:53:00.423-05:002011-12-21T13:53:00.423-05:00RealityinSarnia says,
You were not rejected by th...RealityinSarnia says,<br /><br /><i>You were not rejected by the way this letter was worded, just deferred to the next round of applicants.</i><br /><br />Right. The other applicants were just "temporarily" rejected for possible consideration in the next round.<br /><br />What do you think is going to change between now and then to make our applications better, or as good as, than the ones who were accepted?Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-50003040466435677012011-12-21T13:48:42.908-05:002011-12-21T13:48:42.908-05:00Seanna,
I thought I made it pretty clear that I w...Seanna,<br /><br />I thought I made it pretty clear that I wasn't referring to you or Iain.Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-9702389933999484592011-12-21T12:47:07.267-05:002011-12-21T12:47:07.267-05:00You were not rejected by the way this letter was w...You were not rejected by the way this letter was worded, just deferred to the next round of applicants.RealityinSarniahttp://realityinsarnia.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-13570979723109698362011-12-21T12:46:32.219-05:002011-12-21T12:46:32.219-05:00More data points regarding rejected applicants wou...More data points regarding rejected applicants would be helpful, but my guess is that there were two main criteria: 1. has contributed in some significant way (as volunteer, advisor and/or donor) to CFI over a reasonable period of time, 2. has not publicly criticized the board of directors. If these were the criteria used, Larry would have failed on criterion 2.<br /><br />Is this understandable? Yes. Fair? Not really. Good for CFI? Debatable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-91340640797493261232011-12-21T12:43:25.698-05:002011-12-21T12:43:25.698-05:00I do understand the CFI board's wish to carefu...I do understand the CFI board's wish to carefully consider the next batch of applicants for Associate Membership, but, as I have already said to several CFI board members, I do not understand why CFI Canada Advisory Fellows would not automatically be accepted as Associate Members. <br /><br />I do disagree with your conclusion about the new AMs being selected for our ability to update the CFI Canada website. Though I agree that it is sorely in need of attention, I have not, myself, been asked to assist.Seanna Watsonhttp://cfiottawa.comnoreply@blogger.com