tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post7509212415991928098..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: What the Pope SaidLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-72419069735109926872010-09-19T09:49:34.221-04:002010-09-19T09:49:34.221-04:00Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britai...<em>Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society</em><br /><br />What absolute horseshit. "Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny" PERIOD.<br /><br />The Second World War, at least on the European front, was a war between christian states.<br /><br />How dare that revisionist sleazebag seek to rewrite history and try to slime his way back into a secular world properly rid of scums of his ilk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-20545101555159756012010-09-17T07:33:30.203-04:002010-09-17T07:33:30.203-04:00"I expect the same criticism of the Pope that...<i>"I expect the same criticism of the Pope that I see from accommodationists when they think "New Atheists" have stepped over the line."</i><br />I'd really hope that everyone would condemn such a comment, not because of any desire to protect atheism but because of the trivialising of an incredibly horrible event to win a rhetorical point. <br /><br />But of course I don't think anyone holds the Pope to even the most basic accountability. When a supposed moral leader than protect child-rapists and people don't make a stir? A sad reflection of the times.Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12460075520187803334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-86182147707098316882010-09-17T07:05:48.365-04:002010-09-17T07:05:48.365-04:00I'm not a humanist, but I agree with the BHA s...I'm not a humanist, but I agree with the BHA statement you have quoted hereTimothy V Reeveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03913020911593893925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-5194932137440287352010-09-17T03:32:42.688-04:002010-09-17T03:32:42.688-04:00I suspect that the reason for it being a state vis...I suspect that the reason for it being a state visit (head of Vatican state visiting Britain) is the teeny unresolved matter of Henry VIII's schism from the Catholic church. In England (at least) the Pope would be a rival church leader. By inviting him as head of state, the clerico-diplomatic conflict is circumvented.<br /><br />That's what I'm guessing, anyways.BBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16004801534140043152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-56866768983900733452010-09-17T00:01:19.044-04:002010-09-17T00:01:19.044-04:00I would expect "extreme" need not includ...I would expect "extreme" need not include Dawkins and his ilk. Yet the door was certainly left open for that conclusion.<br /><br />But here is his indictment: "... let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a 'reductive vision of the person and his destiny'." <br /><br />So does atheism lead to loss of virtue? I think it's arguable that naturalism has no firm morality.<br /><br />Does it lead to a truncated vision of man and society? Well, if man is yet another animal, certainly his stature is reduced, though if true, that would not be truncation.<br /><br />And is there a reduced vision of man's destiny? Quite so, I think.lee_merrillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08757197085138422700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-61510865712198751042010-09-16T20:05:42.645-04:002010-09-16T20:05:42.645-04:00In the news, stupid old conservative religious dud...In the news, stupid old conservative religious dude says thing in keeping with conservative religious views. Elsewhere, bear shits in woods.SteveFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-16942793316375658092010-09-16T19:29:38.311-04:002010-09-16T19:29:38.311-04:00"Waiting ......"
You didn't have to..."Waiting ......"<br /><br /><a href="http://evolvingthoughts.net/2010/09/17/a-bridge-to-nowhere/" rel="nofollow">You didn't have to wait long</a>.J. J. Ramseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00763792476799485687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-59731133487533853112010-09-16T15:11:15.048-04:002010-09-16T15:11:15.048-04:00The Church is backed into a corner. They have lik...The Church is backed into a corner. They have likely never encountered such a reasoned attack in their history. There are no logical reasons they can give that justify the covering up of paedophilia, the outlawed use of condoms (contributing to the spread of AIDS) because of their fear of "not for procreation" sex, and their dismissal of women's rights in the church. So they preach to the faithful who unquestionably believe in the Pope's infallibility, and they hope that this current nucleus of the church stays strong enough to hold reason at bay. <br /><br />The morality of their iron age dogma falls far short of the standard of our current secular society morals. They must know this, but how do they change their dogma without admitting there is no such thing as divine guidance for the Church?<br /><br />Exit stage right.Ricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-34528792697301806012010-09-16T14:57:28.598-04:002010-09-16T14:57:28.598-04:00It's the Pope's catholicism that gave him ...It's the Pope's catholicism that gave him the courage to refuse to be drafted into the Hitler Youth in 1941. Nazism meant he had to secretly enroll into an underground seminary, of course. And it's the moral training he received there that gave him the strength to refuse to be drafted into a Nazi army, such that he did not serve into an anti-aircraft corps fighting for the fatherland. He's not one of those that had to claim an illness to prevented him from the rigours of military duty. And certainly he wasn't one of those who stayed with their units until the very last and instead he deserted before his unit was disbanded.<br /><br />Clearly he is a saintly beacon of moral rightitude in the face of the adversity he faced for sticking to the praiseworthy conduct inspired by his faith.<br /><br />So much sarcasm... I need a drink.Pausaniashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03729249155189095319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-22228223792699484532010-09-16T13:49:06.280-04:002010-09-16T13:49:06.280-04:00"the sobering lessons of the atheist extremis..."the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the 20th century..." ???<br /><br />Wait - is he saying that 'atheist extremism' caused WWII?Rosie Redfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06807912674127645263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-77445470048042609762010-09-16T13:41:42.466-04:002010-09-16T13:41:42.466-04:00Without the support of a substantial segment of th...Without the support of a substantial segment of the German population, Hitler would have been a failed watercolorist. So are we to understand that tens of millions of Germans abandoned their faiths and church memberships for a decade or so, then suddenly found them again after V-E Day? Or was it the good churchgoers who enabled Nazism's rise from the ravings of an embittered man into a scourge of civilization?<br /><br />BTW, it would've been nice of Pius XII to have said something equally critical of the Nazis back when it would have done some good. Little late.Judnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-88028504346368489042010-09-16T13:41:32.341-04:002010-09-16T13:41:32.341-04:00"I expect the same criticism of the Pope that..."I expect the same criticism of the Pope that I see from accommodationists when they think "New Atheists" have stepped over the line."<br /><br />Thanks, Larry - I laughed so hard I spit up all over the screen. Thanks for reminding me why I look forward to your posts! Now I have to go find some towels...burntloaferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06911288320926977981noreply@blogger.com