tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post7478764840860407923..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Is Creationism Anti-Science?Larry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-80666560573350270072011-10-28T11:08:01.804-04:002011-10-28T11:08:01.804-04:00Re anonymous
Actually, Prof. Duesberg has not be...Re anonymous <br /><br />Actually, Prof. Duesberg has not been awarded a Nobel Prize, although he was nominated for the award based on his work on retroviruses in the 1960sSLCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-19136857292916394912011-10-26T16:47:24.590-04:002011-10-26T16:47:24.590-04:00Dr. Moran writes:
They are attempting to use scie...Dr. Moran writes:<br /><br /><i>They are attempting to use scientific reasoning. They're just not doing a very good job!</i><br /><br /><i>Many legitimate scientists make the same mistake.</i><br /><br />I really wonder if they are (attempting to use scientific reasoning). When Dr. Behe, perhaps the most "science-y" of the IDers, admits in court under oath that if ID is science then astrology is science under Behe's definition, how committed to scientific inquiry at its base is ID?<br /><br />Yes, we're dealing with a continuum. I just feel that there's a certain point where a lake gets small enough that it is no longer a small lake, it's a pond. I think ID is far enough away at its basis from (1) the spirit of scientific inquiry (rather than being open to contradiction and welcoming the new, it is committed to a single "answer" - Goddidit); (2) the hard work of data gathering (how often have we all joked about the DI's "research program"?); and (3) careful analysis of the gathered data (think of the elegance of experimental design and analysis shown by people like Monod, Lenski, Joe Thornton, and contrast the utterly slipshod unto fraudulent analysis of Wells or Behe), that it is qualitatively, not just quantitatively, different from actual science.Judnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-72471922183056944042011-10-26T12:18:00.654-04:002011-10-26T12:18:00.654-04:00Larry Said
Really? What role do the courts play in...Larry Said<br />Really? What role do the courts play in convincing the citizens of Turkey, Nigeria, and Canada that Intelligent Design Creationism is wrong?<br />None, but they do decide what will be taught in school. I suppose blogs do advance the arguments that can be later used in the Court battles<br /><br /><br />Larry Said<br />They are attempting to use scientific reasoning. They're just not doing a very good job!<br />Many legitimate scientists make the same mistake.<br />They’re NOT using scientific reasoning! YECs cite geomagnetism, dust on the moon, and radioactive decay as evidence that the world is 7000 years old. These may sound like scientific arguments but they’re not. Its not enough to use scientific terms, there has to be unbiased scientific reasoning behind it. YECs ( and I would say IDers too) start with the certain knowledge that GOD created the universe through miraculous intervention and then they force scientific knowledge to conform to that. That’s not science! I realize the demarcation problem is not so simple- theres a smooth continuum from genuine science to pseudoscience so we cant draw a clear dividing line but we can evaluate things on a case by case basis. For example, was Nobel laureate Peter Duesburgs AIDS denialism pseudoscience? I’m not really sure ( though AIDS researchers with intimate knowledge of the evidence universally say its pseudoscience)<br />Legitimate scientists have biases, but when the biases overwhelming control the interpretation of evidence its not science anymore<br /><br />RWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-88556577241760213882011-10-26T11:48:57.333-04:002011-10-26T11:48:57.333-04:00Lantog says,
Blog debates on ID matter very littl...Lantog says,<br /><br /><i>Blog debates on ID matter very little; in the end its all about the Courts ...</i><br /><br />Really? What role do the courts play in convincing the citizens of Turkey, Nigeria, and Canada that Intelligent Design Creationism is wrong?<br /><br /><i>I disagree with Larry on this. Just because one uses scientific jargon or discusses questions within the purvue of science doesnt mean one is engaging in scientific reasoning.</i><br /><br />They are attempting to use scientific reasoning. They're just not doing a very good job!<br /><br />Many legitimate scientists make the same mistake.<br /><br>Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-35198830942692298382011-10-26T11:21:37.734-04:002011-10-26T11:21:37.734-04:00Back in the early 90s Philip Johnson said in answe...Back in the early 90s Philip Johnson said in answer to a question by a YEC that first they'd tackle evolution, then they'd get to the age of the earth. If the DI is now sympathetic to YEC it means that either they feel they've been so successful that now they can get more ambitious or they're desperate for more allies. Either way this is great. Blog debates on ID matter very little; in the end its all about the Courts, and this development will make it increasingly difficult for IDers to persuade judges that ID is science.<br />I disagree with Larry on this. Just because one uses scientific jargon or discusses questions within the purvue of science doesnt mean one is engaging in scientific reasoning.Lantoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02182760738897241428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-62317793080186981152011-10-26T09:56:10.405-04:002011-10-26T09:56:10.405-04:00YECs are only anti-science until they get sick. Th...<i>YECs are only anti-science until they get sick. Then they make a bee-line to that bastion of science and naturalism: modern medicine.</i><br /><br />Unless they have AIDS, presumably.Allan Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-33712032498193857862011-10-26T07:44:56.665-04:002011-10-26T07:44:56.665-04:00YECs are only anti-science until they get sick. Th...YECs are only anti-science until they get sick. Then they make a bee-line to that bastion of science and naturalism: modern medicine.NALhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12244370945682162312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-60882469521572902572011-10-26T02:56:20.464-04:002011-10-26T02:56:20.464-04:00The Untied States will never match the reputation ...The Untied States will never match the reputation for secular reasoning of their northern neighbors, but spelling is another matter.Mike in Bcnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-73449258960640932011-10-25T20:35:25.854-04:002011-10-25T20:35:25.854-04:00I think John Huntsman among the Republican candida...I think John Huntsman among the Republican candidates is actually sane and relatively pro-science, which is probably why is is so far behind in the polls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-81744337597905198702011-10-25T19:28:26.855-04:002011-10-25T19:28:26.855-04:00"I think it's fair to say that Young Eart..."I think it's fair to say that Young Earth Creationists are anti-science. This includes most (all?) of the Republican Presidential candidates in the United States..."<br /><br />Most, but not all... Huntsman's infamous tweet shows that. (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/18/huntsman-on-evolution-call-me-crazy/)<br /><br />Whether he stands a chance in a Republican primary is another story....Dianoguynoreply@blogger.com