tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post538616839130490160..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Disproving EvolutionLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-4260999426621868992012-08-23T23:40:00.066-04:002012-08-23T23:40:00.066-04:00I am saying that words connoting evidences across ...I am saying that words connoting evidences across any named discipline do not undermine the evidence one bit. Your logic is of the most incredibly bizarre stupidity. But I know now that you are way far from understanding that discipline names don't matter. What matters is evidence. So, call it whatever you want, it is still evidence.<br /><br />Also, it is false that YECs are tapping into this. Regardless of my low opinion about YECs, most are not that imbecilic (would be too obvious and thus deter from the YECs purpose of pretending intelligence while propagandizing against evolution).<br /><br />We can draw conclusions about biology even if the facts came from quantum mechanics. It would be research at the frontiers of science (which would allow me to publish it in more important journals). We could still call it research in biology because the conclusions are important in biology, no matter where each piece of research came from, physics, astronomy, nuclear physics, geography, geology, whatever. Your incredible nonsensical mind notwithstanding.<br /><br />Also, it is false completely that we rely on stuff being named biology or not. I am a scientist, and not once have I cared about the discipline giving me the tools and data towards my research. Not once. Not once have my colleagues demanded that I keep my tools and data within one scientific discipline. Granting agencies today go to the point of asking that projects should embrace multidisciplinary. So, I truly can't understand why you hold so strongly to your nonsense.<br /><br />Let's try this truly for the last time. Concentrate on this point alone:<br />Suppose that geology showed that fossils appeared in such orders that evolution were in trouble. Suppose I told you that it does not matter because evolution is biology, and thus you can't use geology against it. Would you think that I am right? Would you stop at using geology against evolution just because geology is not biology?<br /><br />Adios.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-6969914423754939942012-08-23T22:58:01.817-04:002012-08-23T22:58:01.817-04:00I read your comments carefully.
Your saying fossil...I read your comments carefully.<br />Your saying fossils counts as evidence for biological conclusions on origins about the creatures fossilized.<br />Your also saying words connoting different subjects doesn't matter in drawing conclusions about evolution.<br />It does if everyone is told that a conclusion, evolution, is back up by biological investigation by biologists and in this case its fossils.<br />I say there is no biological investigation going on here regarding these fossils and conclusions thereto.<br /><br />If the fossil data points were laid within days of each other then they did not evolve from each other by ToE.<br />So since its claimed they evolved from each other then what is the evidence for this.<br />Evolutionists using these fossils ONLY can and do say its the sequence that proves or hints they evolved from each other.<br />its only the geology investigation that gives evidence for evolution regarding these fossils .Its not biology in any way.<br />The biological investigation stopped at analysis of each fossil. <br />Yet each fossil showed no evidence of evolution but just what it is.<br />If these fossils did not evolve from each other it would not be the error of a biologist.<br />Only a biologist who thought they were doing biiology.<br /><br />I'm demonstrating a historic error was and is made in using fossils as BIOLOGICAL evidence, repeat Evidence, for the conclusion that evolution is true.<br />It was a strange lapse in logic that YEC folks tap into even while evolutionists and iD folks still are slow to realize.<br />Its a start to demonstrating evolution has no evidence for it.<br />A start.<br />Also an example of the anatomy of error in human ideas.Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-91250702487910737862012-08-23T09:17:27.695-04:002012-08-23T09:17:27.695-04:00An argument which starts with the most bizarrely w...An argument which starts with the most bizarrely wrong assumption, that every evidence in biology should be biological, whatever you might mean by that. That's my point on contention, the rest of the nonsense I haven't touch. Last try: why should the evidence be 100% biological? Don;t tell me about standards, give me the logic why should every evidence for whatever process be biological. I insist, microscopy comes from physics. Thus, a creationist might eject the physics and bang! there go microorganisms. Sounds stupid? Well, compare to what you are saying about fossils and geology as evidence for evolution. It's exactly as absurd.<br /><br />1. Of course that fossils are what's been studied in the connection to evolutionary biology. Do you think that archaeologists just discover them and look and them and there, to the museum for display and forget about doing any other studies? No sir, fossils are studied carefully anatomically, situationally, and more. So they are studied for their own sake, and within the context of evolution.<br />2. Of course the fossils are part of the many evidences for evolution. If we didn't know the times, we would be unsatisfied, but just knowing that there were animals with characteristics that show the paths our own evolution could have followed counts as evidence.<br />3. Knowing the times make the evidence much more compelling. Who cares if it is geology talking there. A scientist, a biologist, would think, ok, I have the fossils, but that does not give me enough satisfaction. How do we learn about their timing? OK, let's talk to the geologists. That's the logical thing to do. Why should they stop? geology is the proper science for the question, so let's go geology.<br />4. There is no flaw in such thinking. A huge flaw in yours. I truly do not understand how you are incapable of noticing.<br />5. Change the geology? Sure, if the geology then contradicted the times, then the paths would be wrong. That's the point, yet, fossils still count as evidence. Suppose that the geology showed that all fossils occur in bizarre orders, and that the geological data were irrefutable. Would the fact that the geology is not biology stop you YECs from claiming that evolution is in trouble?<br />6. Construed? No sir, looking at the data together is good practice. Ignoring the geology would be a way of construing fossils as evidence for evolution. We don't do that. We gather as much data as possible before suggesting explanations. Arguing that geology is not biology is just, pure, 100% unadulterated, nonsense.<br />7. You don;t see why you are wrong? Really? I know you are a YEC, but if you can use a word such as construed, I do not think you should not have the mental capacity to notice why you are wrong here.<br />8. The only thing that's "up to us" is showing that the evidence shows what it shows. The names of the scientific disciplines involved are inconsequential to the power of the evidence. What about you ask a good friend to explain this to you. I doubt you read my comments carefully enough. Otherwise this conversation would have stopped after my first comment to you. You might have admitted that you were foolish and perhaps write some apology (yeah, right!) while feeling your face blush.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-34440038770298114132012-08-23T00:07:24.997-04:002012-08-23T00:07:24.997-04:00Not nonsense but a argument attempting to look clo...Not nonsense but a argument attempting to look closer at claims of evidence.<br />You say Fossils count as research!<br />The fossils are not what is being studied but the connection between the fossils in evolutionary biology!<br />The fossils are neutral in saying anything about process and so evolution in this case. Even if the fossil creatures had evolved from each other.<br />Therefore the fossils are not part of biological evidence for evolution.<br />only their geological position/sequence makes them evidence for the results of evolution.<br />Yet this is not biilogy but only geology talking here.<br />Evolutionists have made a historic flaw in believing fossils count as biological evidence of biological processes.<br />Change the geology and Poof goes the biology conclusions.<br />So this would be impossible if biological research had been done SO fossils are just special cases of biological data points being CONSTRUED into process evidence for evolution.<br />I don't see why I'm wrong here!?<br />Its up to you to prove they are evidence for evolution as a part of the scientific subject called biology. Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-53634939893273805062012-08-22T09:20:31.744-04:002012-08-22T09:20:31.744-04:00If time travel were a possibility a bunch of YECs ...If time travel were a possibility a bunch of YECs would go back and put lots of rabbit skeletons into the cambrian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-63488465558948071242012-08-22T09:18:59.809-04:002012-08-22T09:18:59.809-04:00Again, I do not see how something not biology woul...Again, I do not see how something not biology would or should not be evidence, strong or weak, who cares, for evolution or for any other biological process. I do not see why everything developed in biology should strictly rule out whatever is not biology to be of "the high standard of science." This is still a non-sequitur. (The major flaw of logic seems to be all yours.)<br /><br />Fossils count as research in biology. How could they not? They are the marks left by prior living things. But I do not care. Let us suppose they had no relation to biology. Who cares? Should I reject any insights given into biology by instruments whose principles of operation and such are not biological? Stop using microscopes? Stop using spectrophotometers? Should I ignore the true age of our planet in projecting the evolutionary paths followed by life on Earth? Should I stop thinking about where the different species live when projecting ecological interactions because that involves geography and geology too? Your argument is the most bizarrely insane I have seen in a long while.<br /><br />As for creationists "simply" rejecting geology and thus "BANG no fossil evidence" that would put them into the incredibly stupid category of people. The evidence would still be there, and the geology would still be as strong no matter how much you wanted to reject the whole thing because "it is not biology." Do you think that holding to stupendous stupidity (however common that already is among YECs) is the way to go for you guys? I am trying hard not to be insulting, but these kinds of arguments, and your apparent incapacity to notice how nonsensical they are, truly puzzle me, and I have no option but to describe them for what they are.<br /><br />If you still don't see how you are talking nonsense, I can do little more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-58448717860732475732012-08-21T23:33:43.457-04:002012-08-21T23:33:43.457-04:00Evolution is a hypothesis/theory about biology.
Bi...Evolution is a hypothesis/theory about biology.<br />Biological conclusions must be from biological investigation if its to be the high standard of science.<br />Yes evolutionary biology should be mostly or more based on biological evidence.<br /><br />Notwithstanding My point was that fossils do not count as biological research for processes and development of evolutionism.<br />Fine to list the non biological evidences for evolution but evolutionists do stress fossils as being a part of biological investigation .<br />It is not true and has been a major flaw of logic.<br />Evolutionists have been persuading themselves of evolution as true based on fossils which are not related to biological investigation. Yet they thought it was.<br />Posters here show the same wrong idea.<br />without the geology there is no value to fossil sequence.<br />therefore the fossils are just data points of biology but not biologically showing any connections.<br /><br />then a creationist can dismiss the geology also and BANG no fossil evidence, of any sort, for ToE.Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-3104251012882293162012-08-21T18:19:18.329-04:002012-08-21T18:19:18.329-04:00I'm not sure how serious the consideration of ...I'm not sure how serious the consideration of time travel as an explanation for a vertbrate on the pre-Cambrian is, but I do wonder:<br /><br />Would phenomena that contradicted evolution justify throwing out relativity?Michael Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-34854275138403861062012-08-21T08:53:22.687-04:002012-08-21T08:53:22.687-04:00Robert,
Can you explain to me exactly why the evi...Robert,<br /><br />Can you explain to me exactly why the evidence for evolution should be "purely" biological? This sounds, sorry but no other words come to mind, incredibly stupid.<br /><br />As for the geology, it is not "assumed," it is demonstrated and demonstrable, and it has been so independently of any ideas in biology (the work was not done by evil "evolutionists").<br /><br />Fossils are nice evidences (with the accompanying geology), because they show what people would like to see and know about the evolutionary history (the paths that Ryan Gregory talks about) of life on earth, and because we get to see what the ancestors to our species might have looked like. But I do not think that they are the most important evidence. Example, viral insertions demonstrate our common ancestry with the other apes (and beyond), unequivocally. That among other genetic analyses and experiments. So, even without fossils the case would be closed. But I am truly perplexed that you would think that it is important for all lines of evidence to be biological before they can be used. Why? Why exactly?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-31025141708423799142012-08-21T06:33:17.628-04:002012-08-21T06:33:17.628-04:00@ Robert Byers,
You are obviously mis-reading (o...@ Robert Byers, <br /><br />You are obviously mis-reading (or willfully ignoring) the points, then. Here is some summary notes for the 1st three chapters to help you out, from another blog. <br /><br />http://www.genomicron.evolverzone.com/2009/01/on-origin-of-species-chapter-1/<br />http://www.genomicron.evolverzone.com/2009/02/on-origin-of-species-chapter-2/<br />http://www.genomicron.evolverzone.com/2009/02/on-origin-of-species-chapter-3/<br /><br />This isn't politics. Repeating the lie will not make it true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-23499768231221836692012-08-20T22:04:55.413-04:002012-08-20T22:04:55.413-04:00Read it and paid close attention to biological evi...Read it and paid close attention to biological evidence for his hypothesis.<br />I couldn't find any relative to the great conclusions he made.<br />so i concentrate on the fossil matter.<br />He did not stress the fossils but did presume their existence and importance.<br />In fact he told the reader to drop his book unless the reader already accepted long ages as a fact.<br />AMEN. Without the geology the biology doesn't work.<br /> isay this is not biological investigation based on pure biological data.<br /><br />you demonstrate to me that you sincerely believe looking at data points of creatures in stone counts as doing biology or rather the processes of biology that lead to results in biology.<br />You make my case. i think much of evolutionary evidence is based on fossils. its what brings secret sureness.<br />Yet i insist fossils make no case for evolutionary processes (ToE) except after the geology is assumed.<br />If the geology was wrong and all fossils were deposited in short order, or shorter then that, then there could not of been evolution as taught.The creatures in fossil did not evolve from each other.<br />Therefore my logic tells me using fossils as evidence for conclusions on biology is unrelated to biological investigation. <br />Biological investigation is what they do in living creatures/medicine etc.<br />My logic tells me fossils don't succeed or fail as biological evidence for the origin of creatures etc.<br />There's no biology going on in looking at fossils. one is not looking at a process but only presuming its there and happened.<br /> Its a grand flaw to have thought fossils was biological evidence for a biological theory.<br />They might be other kinds of evidence, might not, but examining them shows no evolutionary process or evidence to a critic.<br />Again if the geology was wrong and the conclusions wrong about evolution of creatures it would not be the fault of biological principals of investigation.<br />I don't see where i am wrong here.<br />The anatomy of error in human thinking has happened in these ideas.Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-3934229137943472162012-08-20T17:50:52.288-04:002012-08-20T17:50:52.288-04:00Karl Popper's The Open Society and its Enemies...Karl Popper's The Open Society and its Enemies draws the connection between falsificationism and the repudiation of the possibility of social science fairly clearly I think. Falsification is conceived in terms of predictions. Social science is not predictive, ergo there is no social science. Evolutionary theory isn't predictive either in my opinion, which is why Popper (correctly by his lights) rejected evolutionary theory. Popper concentrates on Marxism and his version of its supposed predictions but it all applies to social science. Perhaps he revised his position in The Poverty of Historicism but I have never had that available to me. <br /><br />My belief that Popper's philosophy is particularly popular because it is an erudite justification for anti-Communism is based on the role Popper's membership in the Mont Pelerin Society and friendships with the likes of Friedrich Hayek. I may be wrong, but if so, Popper's popularity is truly mystifying.<br /><br />Pinker wrote a book specifically aimed at decades of anthropology, sociology and psychology called The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature. And it was specifically defending evolutionary basis of human nature. As to Pinker's anti-Communism, Pinker in his latest book, The Better Angels of Our Nature, somehow omitted to count US wars against Korea and Vietnam as wars by democracies. He even managed to blame the high casualties of the Vietnam war on the fanaticism of the Vietnamese! The man's a barbarian. But the only pop science writer on human nature whose popularity and cachet is comparable I think is Robert Wright. I think it's clear he comes a distant second. <br /><br />Again, my best judgment.S Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610068751705809284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-76630873733677645982012-08-20T07:07:58.827-04:002012-08-20T07:07:58.827-04:00Nothing that you have written supports your claim ...Nothing that you have written supports your claim that information from fossils is non-biological. The most you can infer from your assumptions is that fossils show part of the evolutionary pattern, but are mum as to process. But even this is not correct, as growth lines and fossil populations yield data on ontogeny and allometry, the major engine of biological morphologic change. Fossils do typically lack DNA evidence, if that is what you mean by being non-biological, but no one other than a silly creationist would phrase it that way.<br /><br />The great majority of fossils used in assessing macroevolutionary patterns are well constrained in terms of age, which is inference from facts rather than assumption. Further, the most important technique for revealing macroevolutionary information from fossil data is completely independent of time/stratigraphy.<br /><br />The rebuttals you receive are fine, it is your assertions that are divorced from reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-3072076765286832592012-08-20T03:29:50.238-04:002012-08-20T03:29:50.238-04:00Without the fossils evolution has very little to b...<i>Without the fossils evolution has very little to back itself up.</i><br /><br />Have you actually read On the Origin of Species? (read for free <a href="http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-origin-of-species/" rel="nofollow">here</a>). If you had, you would note that from the beginning of the theory, it was based on a lot more than fossils. Since then we have added genetics and molecular phylogenetics, etc, etc.<br /><br />So this statement is demonstrably false. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-32886926663568641072012-08-20T01:52:25.429-04:002012-08-20T01:52:25.429-04:00SLC
Its fine to present fossils as evidence backin...SLC<br />Its fine to present fossils as evidence backing up evolutionary biology but they are not BIOLOGICAL evidence.<br />If they are not biological then biological evidence is still needed.<br />The fossils are only evidence after the geology is accepted and so they are separated in time and deposition and then they can support a hypothesis.<br />yet this not biology from biological skills and methods of investigation.<br />Creationists face evolutionary claims of evidence from biology and then fossils are high on the list.<br />Yet fossils have no relevance to biology discovery and contention.<br />They are just a picture in stone and as far from a living thing as can be.<br />there is a window here for error to have slipped in.<br />Without the fossils evolution has very little to back itself up.<br />Yet evolution being a biological theory/hypothesis can't back itself up with fossils unless clear they are not biological evidence. something else at best.Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-67008500710050557862012-08-20T01:41:19.384-04:002012-08-20T01:41:19.384-04:00Laurence A. Moran
If fossils are just data points ...Laurence A. Moran<br />If fossils are just data points then any connection or evolutionary claim between them could only be based on a timeline which is based on geological assumptions.<br />So if the timeline/geology was wrong then the biological conclusions of evolution would be wrong as there would not be enough time. Say they are representing days/months/years for when deposited.<br />yet if the biology was wrong it would not be the fault of biological investigation because there was nothing to investigate.<br />Just data points called fossils.<br />the fossils don't show evolution to have occured but only a geological assumption draws this conclusion.<br /> Sp a creationist can confidently say fossils can not be used as BIOLOGICAL evidence for evolution.<br />For their evidence of claimed change only is true is the geology is true.<br />Rigt or wrong biology is not going on here.<br /><br />This is a important point to YEC creationists as we see the strata as just flow events in a single event called Noahs flood below the k-t line( well for me this line).<br />The seeming change in fossils of whole departments is just showing a greater diversity back then and that segregated by place and different flows picked up and deposited one on top of another.<br /><br />So I conclude its a important point for us that fossils are not biological evidence for evolutionary change.<br />They didn't one from the other over time. Just neighbours.<br />Biological conclusions are being drawn from non bioogical evidence but being claimed and believed to be biological evidence.<br /> Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-28184732079472990382012-08-20T01:16:48.564-04:002012-08-20T01:16:48.564-04:00Anonymous
My point about the fossils being rock is...Anonymous<br />My point about the fossils being rock is just to stress the snapshotness of any fossil being observed.<br />The evolution process or journey is not in fossil. Only data points that are then connected by a hypothesis aside from it all.<br /><br />Fossils, therefore, are not biological evidence for a biological hypothesis.<br />They can be another species of evidence but can't claim to be biological.<br />I do see evolutionists presenting fossils as biological evidence for the biological hypothesis/theory of evolution.<br />The fossils only have something AFTER geological assumptions are accepted about their time and placement.<br />If the geology was wrong and the fossils were merely days/months separate the evolution would not be true.<br />Yet it would not be the fault of biology investigation but geology.<br />so fossils are not biological evidence for evolution.<br />even if it was true they were data points connecting creatures and this because of evolution.<br />A important point in evidence here has been historically wrong.<br />i never get good rebuttals of my claim here anywhere.Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-18520984963604925642012-08-19T22:14:57.084-04:002012-08-19T22:14:57.084-04:00What about a rabbi in the pre-Cambrian? You know, ...What about a rabbi in the pre-Cambrian? You know, fossilized yarmulke...Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-16982003975309118032012-08-19T22:11:04.573-04:002012-08-19T22:11:04.573-04:00Do we have to pollute this blog with expressions l...Do we have to pollute this blog with expressions like "Booby Byers", the way that Panda's Thumb is thus polluted? What next, puns on SteveP's name comparing him to bathroom functions? <br /><br />Byers does not have a position of authority at any of the major creationist outlets and is not particularly obnoxious or egotistical. Can we just correct him and move on?Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-38135199390745520452012-08-19T17:09:21.649-04:002012-08-19T17:09:21.649-04:00Alternatively, there could be a god who allows tim...<i>Alternatively, there could be a god who allows time travel. Or a godless universe that allows time travel.</i><br /><br />Or humanoid alien with time travel technology.<br /><br />Just saying ;)Arek Wittbrodthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10111672656316139254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-64797849031146781152012-08-19T14:27:44.675-04:002012-08-19T14:27:44.675-04:00Excuse me, I haven't heard about a connection ...Excuse me, I haven't heard about a connection between falsificationism and Popper's anti-Communism, or how this relates to Pinker.Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-78153531715293564302012-08-19T11:23:30.774-04:002012-08-19T11:23:30.774-04:00Booby Byers again demonstrates his total ignorance...Booby Byers again demonstrates his total ignorance of science. In science, there is no such thing as proof. Proof is a concept in mathematics and symbolic logic. In science, there is only evidence that either supports a hypothesis/theory or falsifies it. Thus, in the current example, fossils being in the order predicted by evolution is not proof of evolution but evidence that supports it. Fossils being out of the order predicted is evidence of falsification, which must be explained. Such a finding would evidence that the hypothesis/theory is either wrong or incomplete, or something has happened to disturb the fossil order (e.g. overthrusts).SLCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-5388540566522028282012-08-19T10:40:21.094-04:002012-08-19T10:40:21.094-04:00If fossils out of sequence in needed sequence does...<i>If fossils out of sequence in needed sequence doesn't disprove evolution then fossils in sequence is not proof for evolution.</i><br /><br />This is correct. The fossils are data. They allow us to construct a timeline of changing life on Earth. Evolution is the explanation that makes sense of this data. <br /><br />There is plenty of solid proof that evolution occurs but the fossil record is highly consistent with, but not necessarily proof of, modern ideas about evolution. Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-9360416634414815442012-08-19T10:32:47.667-04:002012-08-19T10:32:47.667-04:00Thank-you helleen.
It looks like I should have be...Thank-you helleen.<br /><br />It looks like I should have been more careful with my thought experiment knowing that there people reading this blog who knew lot more about this than I did. <br /><br />I do, of course, understand the main point; namely that the common ancestor of modern monotremes and Eutherians was neither a monotreme or a eutherian.<br /><br />I hope that everyone understands the point of my thought experiment. Science readily accommodates anomalies and new discoveries that change our views. Although there may be some extraordinary examples that will be a severe challenge, it is simply not true that any single out-of-order fossil will disprove evolution.<br /><br />That's not how science works.<br />Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-43500881202747450662012-08-19T09:00:10.507-04:002012-08-19T09:00:10.507-04:00Deluded Creationist,
Fossils are incorporated int...Deluded Creationist,<br /><br />Fossils are incorporated into rock; that does not mean that they are rock. Even those represented by casts & molds and replacements still provide evidence of biological form. But often original skeletal material is present.<br /><br />Fossils are indeed another line of confirming evidence for evolution. As we explored the fossil record in more detail, for Darwin to be right about common descent, there had to be intermediates between related living groups, and there are.<br /><br />See the list of Diogenes above for another important confirmation from the fossil record.<br /><br />Fossils could indeed be damning evidence against evolution if all forms seen today formed within a geological instant 10,000 years ago and vast tomes of more ancient strata were lifeless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com