tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post4800763943407795565..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: One Problem with Intelligent Design CreationismLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-64853255580001385222011-12-06T08:27:43.662-05:002011-12-06T08:27:43.662-05:00I think that as long as they can convince the publ...I think that as long as they can convince the public that evolution is spontaneous and undirected then they will be able to remain in the public discourse.<br /><br />No, there is no teleogical goal in evolution, but it is directed towards survival and it obeys the laws of physics and chemistry.Mike Haubrichhttp://tuibguy.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-23348867795412307262011-12-03T10:36:56.386-05:002011-12-03T10:36:56.386-05:00OT but on the subject of junk DNA, there was a tal...OT but on the subject of junk DNA, there was a talk at the recent Skepticon conference on it by PZ Myers which may be of interest to some of the readers of this blog as Prof. Moran has posted many threads on the subject.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DRsN7w7iW08slcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-13425945910747838202011-12-02T13:54:03.394-05:002011-12-02T13:54:03.394-05:00To echo what "anonymous" said, I have a ...To echo what "anonymous" said, I have a colleague with a PhD in Biochemistry and an academic appointment to to teach the subject whose Roman Catholicism leads him to, not only reject evolution particularly human evolution, but to give serious consideration to the blatherings of Bill Dembski. I have no doubt that he would fail any student attempting such third-rate scholarship in theologically-unthreatening biochemistry. It is frightening that he can turn on and off the spigot of his intelligence, leaving his mind empty when directed at facts that challenge the Judeo-Christian mythos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-60019835521214920122011-12-02T06:50:04.283-05:002011-12-02T06:50:04.283-05:00NickM, when so many US presidential candidates arg...<i>NickM, when so many US presidential candidates argue publicly and loudly in favor of ID, how can you say...</i><br /><br />The USA is a funny place; I think both what NickM said and what Larry said are true. <br /><br />I don't think as large a proportion of the population is interested in ID as was the case when Dover happened. Not a statistically valid survey on my part, just an impression of how often I hear about the subject or see ID books prominently displayed in bookstores. (Wonder how Wells' book is doing on Amazon?)<br /><br />I think at the same time, that of the minority of the population (around low 20% range in polls IIRC) who are bedrock Republicans, a very large proportion *are* supporters of ID, climate change deniers, etc. Thus the Republican Presidential candidates all have to kowtow.Judnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-84767880705495105472011-12-02T00:35:36.174-05:002011-12-02T00:35:36.174-05:00Larry is, if course, right about this. ID is the m...Larry is, if course, right about this. ID is the mutated offspring of "creation science" which, in turn, was the offspring of the same reaction to "modernism" in Biblical studies and "naturalism" (we can quibble whether it is methodological or philosophical) in science that also lead to the rise of Fundamentalism. It's not going away anytime soon because it is an adaptation that well fits the environment of those who have their fingers buried knuckle deep in their ears, their eyes screwed tight shut and are humming as loud as they can "Nearer My God to Thee." It may (indeed, <i>has</i>) evolved before and will do so again but it is unlikely to go extinct.John Pierethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-44029933105374151132011-12-01T22:55:20.708-05:002011-12-01T22:55:20.708-05:00I posted under anon because your comment section i...I posted under anon because your comment section is a pain in the a** though my name is David Leech.<br /><br />Couldn't agree more with this, I have a Christian friend who has a biochemistry degree from Manchester university no less and still will not accept evolution is true simply because of his beliefs . It really is bewildering as I'm good friends with his brother who is an atheist with a computer studies degree so it is not indoctrination that is to blame here. Some people just want to believe so bad that reality itself has to be compromised for it. Apologetics, theology and even ID are the things they will cling to rather than let go of god.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-7768294158963181042011-12-01T22:41:46.352-05:002011-12-01T22:41:46.352-05:00I was reminded of this today when I read Denyse O&...<i><br />I was reminded of this today when I read Denyse O'Leary's latest post on Uncommon Descent. She's promoting the views of Evgeny Selensky, a Russian scholar who supports the intelligent design version of creationism. You can read his original essay here: Intelligent Design: pro et contra. Denyse's promo is at UD Commenter ES’s pro-con worldview and scientific issues summary on ID. Denyse is impressed by anyone who claims to be a scientist and opposes evolution.<br /></i><br /><br />In the interest of accuracy I believe the posting was by Kairosfocus (Mr. Prolix...)TrevorDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06650660580820963962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-6516998884810570902011-12-01T17:59:42.759-05:002011-12-01T17:59:42.759-05:00NickM, when so many US presidential candidates arg...NickM, when so many US presidential candidates argue publicly and loudly in favor of ID, how can you say <i>"If you think back to 1996-2004, ID was getting some serious attention in politics (e.g. Kansas), and Phillip Johnson, Behe, and Wells were getting positive attention or a place at the table in some annoying places (all the other IDists were probably 10% or less of those three). There is a lot less of that now -- they are mostly talking to themselves."</i>Lou Josthttp://www.loujost.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-78566117350822864192011-12-01T16:12:48.261-05:002011-12-01T16:12:48.261-05:00Of course it's about religion. This has led &...Of course it's about religion. This has led "conservative" Republicans in particular to become the party of "Who you gonna believe, me or your lyin' eyes/scientific data?", where complete belief in the utter denial of reality in both the "hard" (biology, climatology) and "soft" (economics - the recession was caused by the US government forcing banks to lend money to people in African-American neighborhoods to buy homes; the way out of it is to eliminate taxes on multibillionaires) sciences is a prerequisite for membership and thus election.<br /><br />So the question is, when the 15-20 year cycle Nick spoke of comes 'round again, what will the demographics of religion be in the US as a whole and in politically important regions?Judnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-6404579369955939162011-12-01T13:20:27.409-05:002011-12-01T13:20:27.409-05:00'North american debate'?
Hmm, is that why...'North american debate'?<br /><br />Hmm, is that why they are sending their appalling literature to schools in the UK?Acleronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-6021719833125391892011-12-01T11:31:46.325-05:002011-12-01T11:31:46.325-05:00Ooo, it chills me that she called it a "North...Ooo, it chills me that she called it a "North American" debate. I'd strongly like to think it's mostly "debatable" south of the Great Lakes... or, better still, south of the Ohio River.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-30947481940095829432011-12-01T11:29:18.904-05:002011-12-01T11:29:18.904-05:00Heh, a computer programmer, eh? IOW: another candi...Heh, a computer programmer, eh? IOW: another candidate for the Salem Hypothesis.Eamon Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04262012749524758120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-26325949398867509502011-12-01T10:28:17.096-05:002011-12-01T10:28:17.096-05:00Agreed, mostly. But I like Rob Pennock's char...Agreed, mostly. But I like Rob Pennock's characterization, he says that ID has been "spinning its wheels" since Dover. If you think back to 1996-2004, ID was getting some serious attention in politics (e.g. Kansas), and Phillip Johnson, Behe, and Wells were getting positive attention or a place at the table in some annoying places (all the other IDists were probably 10% or less of those three). There is a lot less of that now -- they are mostly talking to themselves.<br /><br />Creationism always burbles along at the grass-roots level -- e.g. trouble with policies in Texas, Louisiana, etc. And eventually some new strategy/personality gets them excited and gives them hope, leading to another court case. The cycle seems to be about 15-20 years, so give it another few...NickMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765417807335152285noreply@blogger.com