tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post4502779396377843482..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Splicing Error Rate May Be Close to 1%Larry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-61663297266377922482011-01-28T09:33:50.224-05:002011-01-28T09:33:50.224-05:00re the paper from the Burge lab.
It's good to...re the paper from the Burge lab.<br /><br />It's good to see that some scientists address this issue of isoform abundance. <br /><br />They analyzed ten human tissues and five cancer cell lines. It would be interesting to know how many of the significant alternative splice variants only show up in the cancer cell lines.<br /><br>Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-41388907041756988152011-01-27T21:14:38.050-05:002011-01-27T21:14:38.050-05:00Below is a direct quote from the RNA-Seq paper by ...Below is a direct quote from the RNA-Seq paper by the Christopher Burge lab ("Alternative isoform regulation in human tissue transcriptomes", Nature 456, 470-476, 2008): <br /><br />"Some of these events may involve exclusively low frequency alternatively spliced isoforms. However, 92% of multi-exon genes were estimated to undergo alternative splicing when considering only events for which the relative frequency of the minor (less abundant) isoform exceeded 15% in one or more samples."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-67924142995444807862011-01-14T10:02:14.770-05:002011-01-14T10:02:14.770-05:00Athena Andreadis says,
Alternative splicing that ...Athena Andreadis says,<br /><br /><i>Alternative splicing that produces functional isoforms is observed in the majority of human genes.</i><br /><br />That is an incorrect statement. The only way you could rationalize such a statement is to re-define the word "functional." <br /><br /><i>The higher an organism is on the evolutionary ladder, the higher the percentage of its genes that are alternatively spliced.</i><br /><br />There is no such thing as an evolutionary ladder and there's no scientific way to tell whether humans are "higher" than fruit flies or cyanobacteria. Your use of those words is very disturbing. <br /><br /><i>I make this statement as a lifelong AS researcher, and the data I implicitly recruit to make it come from painstaking functional analyses -- not from the type of work like this, that generates more noise than signal.</i><br /><br />It saddens me to think that a "life-long" AS researcher actually believes that "painstaking functional analysis" has demonstrated your point—namely, that the <b>majority</b> of genes undergo biologically relevant (functional) alternative splicing. <br /><br />I'm not denying that alternative splicing exists. We've been teaching that to undergraduates for 30 years. I'm not denying that <b>your</b> favorite gene (tau) exhibits alternative splicing. What I'm challenging is the claim that a large percentage of human primary transcripts are alternatively spliced just because you can detect low levels of strange transcripts in some tissues.<br /><br>Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-29867943455251642652011-01-14T00:07:10.017-05:002011-01-14T00:07:10.017-05:00Alternative splicing that produces functional isof...Alternative splicing that produces functional isoforms is observed in the majority of human genes. The higher an organism is on the evolutionary ladder, the higher the percentage of its genes that are alternatively spliced. I make this statement as a lifelong AS researcher, and the data I implicitly recruit to make it come from painstaking functional analyses -- not from the type of work like this, that generates more noise than signal.Athena Andreadishttp://www.starshipreckless.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-30931152924619552452011-01-10T14:40:45.171-05:002011-01-10T14:40:45.171-05:00I dont understand how they can draw a line and say...I dont understand how they can draw a line and say theses are errors and these are not. This quote, from a gene duplication paper, works just as well here: "Our inclination is to categorize the most frequent and kinetically favourable interactions as the right ones and the minor ones as tolerable errors, but in the absence of any grand designer there are no right or wrong interactions — just handholds of different sizes that selection can use to climb a fitness mountain."<br /><br />Shouldn't the question be about how adaptive these events are?<br /><br />The most worrisome aspect of studying AS to me is RT polymerase errors. There is clear evidence of widespread RT errors, especially template switching which would look just like AS without the proper controls. I have a expect that the reason we keep finding novel events is because they keep being made in during the RT step. <br /><br />Conant GC, Wolfe KH. Turning a hobby into a job: how duplicated genes find new functions. Nature reviews. Genetics. 2008;9(12):938-50. Available at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19015656.Greg Bautehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09926073964672188819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-8577956825254521682011-01-10T08:45:39.379-05:002011-01-10T08:45:39.379-05:00Thanks for the comments on our paper.
They doubl...Thanks for the comments on our paper. <br /><br /><i>They doubled the number of previously observed splice junctions. Maybe these guys are just extra good at generating bogus data?</i><br /><br />This was (perhaps obviously) one of our first concerns. The data which convinced us that this was not the case is presented in Figure 1; in particular, nearly all the new junctions carry GT-AG dinucleotides intronic of the inferred splice junction (this known sequence specificity of the splicing reaction was not used in their identification), and we recapitulate the previously observed periodic pattern of positions of alternative splice junctions.Joseph Pickrellhttp://www.genomesunzipped.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-81832870641026719672011-01-10T06:48:52.626-05:002011-01-10T06:48:52.626-05:00Reza says,
AS is basically a way of achieving var...Reza says,<br /><br /><i>AS is basically a way of achieving variation relatively quickly compared to GD and subsequent mutation.</i><br /><br />Statements like that get us into semantic difficulties that I'd prefer to avoid. <b>Mutations</b> that affect splicing can produce variation, just as all mutations produce variation.<br /><br />When you use the term "AS" (alternative splicing) it implies biological function—or at least it should. I prefer to restrict the term "alternative splicing" to those events that are known to be biologically relevant. If you apply the term "alternative splicing" to all splicing errors then it becomes meaningless.<br /><br />Most forms of true alternative splicing involve inserting or removing an exon in the middle of a gene. If you take a typical protein-encoding gene then it's extremely unlikely that such an event will lead to a functional product. Thus, I doubt very much whether this is a common way of evolving new protein functions. If that were true then you would expect a significant number of genes to show true alternative splicing and that has not been demonstrated. <br /><br />I suspect that less that 5% of human genes exhibit true functional alternative splicing and even those examples are highly regulated. If you want a new functional protein it's probably much easier to duplicate the gene and mutate one of the copies. That's what the evidence suggests.<br /><br>Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-31896869821504961402011-01-10T00:57:02.213-05:002011-01-10T00:57:02.213-05:00Thanks for pointing out that paper. I love papers ...Thanks for pointing out that paper. I love papers that end with testable hypotheses for their claims.The Other Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17570666738076378921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-47639789417828437572011-01-10T00:48:03.663-05:002011-01-10T00:48:03.663-05:00From the PLoS website...
Abstract
The abstract o...From the PLoS website...<br /><br />Abstract<br /><br />The abstract of the paper should be succinct; it must not exceed 300 words. Authors should mention the techniques used without going into methodological detail and should summarize the most important results. While the abstract is conceptually divided into three sections (Background, Principal Findings, and Significance), please do not apply these distinct headings to the abstract within the article file. We would however encourage you to include Background, Principal Findings, and Significance headings within the abstract field of the submission system. Please do not include any citations and avoid specialist abbreviations.<br />Author Summary<br /><br />We ask that all authors of research articles include a 150–200 word non-technical summary of the work as part of the manuscript to immediately follow the abstract. This text is subject to editorial change, should be written in the first-person voice, and should be distinct from the scientific abstract. Aim to highlight where your work fits within a broader context; present the significance or possible implications of your work simply and objectively; and avoid the use of acronyms and complex terminology wherever possible. The goal is to make your findings accessible to a wide audience that includes both scientists and non-scientists. Authors may benefit from consulting with a science writer or press officer to ensure they effectively communicate their findings to a general audience.The Other Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17570666738076378921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-73394138775395976442011-01-09T20:47:57.894-05:002011-01-09T20:47:57.894-05:00They doubled the number of previously observed spl...They doubled the number of previously observed splice junctions. Maybe these guys are just extra good at generating bogus data?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-85465286628288836512011-01-09T17:07:19.707-05:002011-01-09T17:07:19.707-05:00I have always maintained that there is a link betw...I have always maintained that there is a link between alternative splicing and gene duplication.<br /><br />AS is basically a way of achieving variation relatively quickly compared to GD and subsequent mutation.<br /><br />There is also little doubt that AS can lead to framshifts and premature truncations which are almost always useless.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18226525473904632047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-75021364651261369002011-01-09T11:46:03.586-05:002011-01-09T11:46:03.586-05:00A bit off-topic but:
"Abstract" and &qu...A bit off-topic but: <br />"Abstract" and "Author Summary"? What's up with that?<br /><br />Abstract (noun): A summary of a text, scientific article, document, speech, etc.<br /><br />The two are synonymous - as also evidenced by the obvious redundancy of the text.DKnoreply@blogger.com