tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post4037717045936794091..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Phillip Johnson, One of the Very Best Intelligent Design CreationistsLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-79574789922044268322014-09-15T14:20:23.317-04:002014-09-15T14:20:23.317-04:00In his first lectures as an adjunct professor, he ...In his first lectures as an adjunct professor, he had had a student who rejected what she called the lie of evolutionism and instead maintained the truth of the biblical creation story. He soundly put her in her place. Now, his new faith and his own Bible studies led him to adopt this belief, which brought him into conflict with what he was teaching. Because of his lectures on the alleged scientific evidence for biblical creation story he was asked to leave the University of Stellenbosch.[14]<br /><br />He sold his house in Stellenbosch and obtained a wheat and dairy farm but experienced a catastrophic crop failure during an economic depression in 1988. So he accepted a position as associate professor at the University of the Western Cape in zoology. His serious concerns about the theory of evolution had been resolved by the proviso that he only needed to carry out research.<br /><br />Due to race riots the university closed temporarily. This gave Veith the opportunity to travel to California and visit Ariel Roth, a creationist in charge of the Geoscience Research Institute, Loma Linda.[15][16] He geoscientifically researched evidence of the biblical story of creation, and developed a series of lectures to present his findings.<br /><br />The following year Veith received a one-year contract at the University of Cape Town. His creationist lectures meant that his contract was not renewed, but he was hired in a research only position at the University of the Western Cape. At this time, Veith began to hold lectures outside university.[17] Initially, his talks were mainly to Adventist congregations in the United States, then in Canada, Australia and Europe. In his lectures on nutrition he promoted Adventist values such as vegetarianism and fasting. His first book was published in 1998 under the title of Diet and Health.[18]<br /><br />In 1995 he became a full professor with tenure and the head of the Department of Zoology, the content also dealt with the theory of evolution after five years. He used his position among other things to promote his belief in creationism and to deny the theory of evolution, finding a fellow believer in these views in in his colleague Quincy Johnson. In 1997 he published his results in The Genesis Conflict.[19]<br /><br />After conflicts at the University of the Western Cape due to their unorthodox views, Walter Veith and Quincy Johnson left the department of zoology. Johnson joined the Department of Microbiology, while Veith joined the Department of Physiology, where he worked until 2003. With this change, their right to teach zoology was withdrawnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-15742413069241397462014-07-20T08:18:36.839-04:002014-07-20T08:18:36.839-04:00Some people seem to think that, compared to being ...Some people seem to think that, compared to being right but speaking in a way that is "most uncharitable and reprehensible", it is preferable to speak charitably and admirably while being <i>wrong</i>. I am inclined to disagree... Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-64937006372294563882014-07-19T13:48:16.963-04:002014-07-19T13:48:16.963-04:00Trent: You will have to specify whom you are refer...Trent: You will have to specify whom you are referring to, as so many of us here have uncharitable and reprehensible ways of speaking.John Harshmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06705501480675917237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-66067188504173094222014-07-17T13:16:32.882-04:002014-07-17T13:16:32.882-04:00You might be right but you have a most uncharitabl...You might be right but you have a most uncharitable and reprehensible way of speaking. Trent the Wonder Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14644138419889858118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-11746694030874849242011-12-08T07:59:31.937-05:002011-12-08T07:59:31.937-05:00Atheistoclast said:
I prefer to remain independen...Atheistoclast said:<br /><br /><i>I prefer to remain independent - a thorn in everyone's side and a friend to none.</i><br /><br />Sort of like a kidney stone... yet another of the great ideas demonstrating the biological genius of 'Jesus Is Lord!'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-49715401801237208692011-12-07T18:39:40.981-05:002011-12-07T18:39:40.981-05:00It was amazing that UD banned me because of unrela...It was amazing that UD banned me because of unrelated comments (taken out of context)that I expressed on a separate forum. Anyway, I never liked the politics of the DI.<br /><br />I prefer to remain independent - a thorn in everyone's side and a friend to none.Atheistoclastnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-23021500615188067432011-12-07T15:32:22.040-05:002011-12-07T15:32:22.040-05:00For those who missed it, Atheistoclast had a falli...For those who missed it, Atheistoclast had a <a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture/joseph-bozorgmehr-is-no-longer-with-us/" rel="nofollow">falling out</a> with Uncommon DissentLes Lanehttp://lclane2.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-45937478575122791922011-12-06T09:57:22.052-05:002011-12-06T09:57:22.052-05:00He also thought his lawyerly logic was pretty good...He also thought his lawyerly logic was pretty good at debunking the "HIV as the root cause of AIDS" claim. 'Nough said.Argonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-71788706656662542672011-12-06T07:59:26.908-05:002011-12-06T07:59:26.908-05:00Atheistoclast said...
But I consider myself to be...Atheistoclast said...<br /><br /><i>But I consider myself to be even better.</i><br /><br />Boy, I've seen some backhanded "compliments" in my time, but that one takes the cake. I have yet to see a conversation on this site where you haven't ended up roadkill on the information highway and your ass handed back to you crisscrossed every which way with the treadmarks of reality all over it, and yet, this guy WORSE than you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-60652912807702330602011-12-05T21:50:24.468-05:002011-12-05T21:50:24.468-05:00I had the misfortune of sitting through a presenta...I had the misfortune of sitting through a presentation by Phillip Johnson sponsored by the inaccurately-named Veritas Forum at Ohio State. Johnson spent much of the talk speaking about the SETI program trying, ineptly, to make his point that ALL of science pursues metaphysical naturalism in an attempt to claim that teaching science in public schools violates the anti-establishment clause of the U.S. constitution. The main sponsors were philosophers (no surprise there). He did a lot of quote mining (mostly some Gould and Sagan) among other reprehensible creationist tactics. That was my first introduction to a "professional" creationist. <br /><br />As it happens, that same term I was TA'ing a gen bio non-majors course (700+ students) that term that turned to be taught, unbeknownst to me by a creationist. I started to suspect something was wrong when the lecturer happened to cancel two lectures specifically covering evolution.<br /><br />Man, that quarter sucked.Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-59262706508802354082011-12-05T20:12:05.161-05:002011-12-05T20:12:05.161-05:00Truti
Don't listen to Atheistoclast. He's...Truti<br /><br />Don't listen to Atheistoclast. He's an idiotic semi-educated troll who thinks his "work" is going to overturn the Darwinist Conspiracy Paradigm (or whatever he's calling it this week). He's also on record fantasizing about metaphorical scientific heads rolling if he or one of his idiot ilk gets into a position of power. <br /><br />Basically he's a malignant narcissist with a poorer grasp of science than Johnson. In fact, his obnoxious ignornat trolling has managed to not only get him sh1tcanned at Pharyngula, but he's also banned at the Discovery Institute and a bunch of other creationist sites. You know you're a freaking loser when the creationists hate you more than the actual scientists.<br /><br />unkle.hankAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-77096749395852603922011-12-05T18:56:19.144-05:002011-12-05T18:56:19.144-05:00Atheistoclast wrote:
Biochemists like Larry are ig...Atheistoclast wrote:<br /><i>Biochemists like Larry are <b>ignorant of population genetics</b>, while paleontologists are <b>largely ignorant of molecular biology</b>. There is no unifying synthesis.<br /><br />But I consider myself to be <b>even better</b></i><br /><br /> Don't be so shy: being <b>both</b> "ignorant of population genetics" and "largely ignorant of molecular biology" makes you indeed pretty better than the categories you mentioned. <br /> I'm not very sure you meant your last phrase in this sense >:-] (though this is the one and only interpretation fully consistent with your posting activity on this blog)M. Dionisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-23880585401237737712011-12-05T16:41:52.216-05:002011-12-05T16:41:52.216-05:00He exposes the disconnect between various discipli...<i>He exposes the disconnect between various disciplines within evolutionary biology. Biochemists like Larry are ignorant of population genetics, while paleontologists are largely ignorant of molecular biology. There is no unifying synthesis.</i><br /><br />So goes the clueless flunky ignoring the fact that Johnson knows <b>nothing</b> about biochemistry, popn.genetics, paleontology, and molecular biology. Johnson is a pathetic little whiny excuse for dissent.<br /><br />TrutiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-57930799049728590422011-12-05T13:44:49.646-05:002011-12-05T13:44:49.646-05:00From the promotional video:
"Uses an attorney...From the promotional video:<br /><i>"Uses an attorney's reasoning to scrutinize the scientists' logic."</i><br />heh ;)<br /><br /><i>"I'm asking you to take a look at this 1993 interview..."</i><br />Whole interview? Please, mercy...<br /><br /><i>"Because they have the advantage of seeing evolutionary biology from the outsides and that allows them to recognize the basic flaws in elementary logic and reasoning in the discipline."</i><br />Interesting. When some atheists criticise religion, they are outside theology. But in that case it seems that you actually must be theologian to criticize religion.<br />Hypocrisy...<br /><br /><i>"many scientists know the flaws in evolutionary theory but they are prevented from speaking out by a massive conspiracy"</i><br />Evolutionary Ninja? (BTW. Does anyone know, who came up with this concept?)<br /><br />----<br /><br />He mentions Horseshoe crabs (17:30 and later 22:05).<br />I recently read about them <a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/11/in-evolutions-race-horseshoe-crabs-took-a-slower-pace/" rel="nofollow">on Laelaps</a><br />and there is link in the article to another article which explain that <a href="http://www.lucasbrouwers.nl/blog/2010/06/living-fossils-dont-exist/" rel="nofollow">living fossils don't exist</a><br /><br />When he started talking, that <i>"there is certainly no evidence that a bacterium by a process like this [descent with modification] gave birth to insects, and lobsters, and worms..."</i>, I stopped watching (29 minute).<br /><br />My brain hurts and it's evening here where I live.<br /><br />After watching a half of this interview, the only word which came to my mind is hypocrisy. And misleading. OK - that two words, but I am tired.Arek W.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-18617878704194705232011-12-05T13:22:39.454-05:002011-12-05T13:22:39.454-05:00He is very good. Here is why:
1) He articulates ...He is very good. Here is why:<br /><br /><br />1) He articulates why Evolutionism is really naturalistic philosophy replete with unsubstantiated and unfalsifiable assumptions.<br /><br />2) He explains how the word "fact" in science refers to an objective observation coupled with an often very subjective interpretation.<br /><br />3) He explain that much of the arguments of ID have not been "debunked" so much as ignored.<br /><br />4) He shows just how little explanatory and predictive power the current paradigm actually has.<br /><br />5) He exposes the disconnect between various disciplines within evolutionary biology. Biochemists like Larry are ignorant of population genetics, while paleontologists are largely ignorant of molecular biology. There is no unifying synthesis. <br /><br />But I consider myself to be even better.Atheistoclastnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-83564556276161462892011-12-05T13:07:49.069-05:002011-12-05T13:07:49.069-05:00I often wonder if the IDiots apply the same reason...<i>I often wonder if the IDiots apply the same reasoning to other disciplines like Roman history, epistemology, music theory, quantum mechanics, constitutional law and oncology. Do they think that outsiders are well-positioned to recognize the major flaws in those disciplines? Of course not. Evolutionary biology is special because it alone HAS major flaws that the internal experts can't see. In other words, the experts in evolutionary biology are difference from the experts in all other disciplines</i><br /><br /> Sorry, but I beg to differ with this part. It's not that other scientific theories are immune to amateurish BS ID-like, is that the opponents are usually less organized in their vocalism. There are plenty of non-scientists (or, sadly, even non-specialist scientists) who misunderstand/misrepresent some part of the science and fully abuse the freedom of speech by making fool of themselves. But unless the criticized scientific theory happens to annoy for some reason a large number of people, the outlandish critics do not feel the need to aggregate their arguments as if they were a single big respectable theory, and they keep acting as individuals, thus rarely obtaining real public visibility. <br /> The evolutionary theory has indeed a particularity: many people dislike its implications so their criticism becomes overcritical and they become aware of the advantages of quoting someone else's similar (wrong) ideas. It's not only the evolutionary theory in such a position: there was a time for the heliocentric system, for the age of the earth, even for the relativity; at present it might be also a time for the global warming related issues. The overcritical non-specialist critics tend to organize themselves, the only difference is the label we design them. You coined the term "IDiots" specific for a certain class of negationists: it is not the only actual class, there are many others, they're known under different labels (or they have no label at all).M. Dionisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-92059609841119925322011-12-05T11:50:21.540-05:002011-12-05T11:50:21.540-05:00The video is much easier to get through if you vie...The video is much easier to get through if you view it as an anthropologist rather than as a biologist.<br /><br />At about 32 minutes he discusses the implausibility of intermediates in the evolution of whales. This of course was before the discovery of such intermediates.<br /><br />At about 38 minutes he suggests that rather than studying evolution one should simply study the properties of organisms. He implies that doing so would provide clear evidence for design. In fact scientists have extensively examined the properties of a wide range of organisms (via DNA sequencing). The result is yet more evidence confirming evolution and no evidence for design.Les Lanehttp://lclane2.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-62187040752376481272011-12-05T10:53:51.286-05:002011-12-05T10:53:51.286-05:00Johnson may be touted as a leader, but I think you...Johnson may be touted as a leader, but I think you'll agree that Behe and Dembski are better bets if we're talking about science.Bjørn Østmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08859177313382114917noreply@blogger.com