tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post4023646480905583739..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: James Lunney doesn't get no respect - does he deserve it?Larry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-65856659814491377182015-04-10T14:33:47.800-04:002015-04-10T14:33:47.800-04:00bwilso295,
"I was somewhat surprised to find...bwilso295,<br /><br />"I was somewhat surprised to find that there is research finding unexpectedly high rates of autism spectrum disorder (equal to the rates among U.S. whites) in Somali immigrant communities in Minnesota and Sweden."<br /><br />Have you ever come across a study involving identical twins receiving vaccines at different times in their life who developed autism? You would be more than surprised. Jmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392421995310271733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-61730743414315440512015-04-09T19:26:53.257-04:002015-04-09T19:26:53.257-04:00It is kind of hilarious when "the science peo...It is kind of hilarious when "the science people" attack A religion to justify the lack of evidence, especially the real scientific evidence. What's the name for it? It can't be BS can it?Jmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392421995310271733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-57615858688718420812015-04-09T14:29:39.875-04:002015-04-09T14:29:39.875-04:00Considering the source, I was somewhat surprised t...Considering the source, I was somewhat surprised to find that there is research finding unexpectedly high rates of autism spectrum disorder (equal to the rates among U.S. whites) in Somali immigrant communities in Minnesota and Sweden. Rates are thought to be higher than in Somalia itself, though baseline data is lacking. Particularly concerning, the Minnesota Somali has a high rate of very severe autism.<br /><br />Cause is unknown, with speculation involving maternal stress, vitamin D deficiency, the psychological make-up of Somali men willing to emigrate, past inbreeding in the Somali community, genetics in general, vaccinations, and statistical artifacts. The cause, if there is just one cause, may be something else entirely. <br /><br />To the extent they are known, autism rates vary among immigrant groups (e.g. Somali, Hmong, Mexican) and among regions within one group (e.g. Somalis in different areas) but less is known about this than we might wish.<br /><br />Popular reporting (which was most of what I got in the short time I was willing to spend looking up information) is beset with over generalization (e.g. Somali = all African = all immigrant) and careless reporting (e.g. autism reported as rising faster among American blacks than whites, although there's good evidence the change results from improving rates of diagnosis for blacks, not higher rates of autism itself). Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-63897343228668542832015-04-09T14:12:39.855-04:002015-04-09T14:12:39.855-04:00And you are probably not to far off the mark when ...And you are probably not to far off the mark when you ask if <a href="http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2012/01/19/downs-syndrome-boy-denied-communion-says-mother/" rel="nofollow">people with Down Syndrome or spina bifida are not creatures of God?</a><br /><br />Not too big on consistency are they ?steve oberskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067724166134333068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-77399339046316508502015-04-09T14:07:20.895-04:002015-04-09T14:07:20.895-04:00I'm thinking that the "bigot in a white c...I'm thinking that the "bigot in a white collar" is just dancing around the problem of evil, how could a benevolent god create children with Down's Syndrome or Spina Bifida would be the next question asked should he admit that this was the case.<br /><br />But of course this is what he actually believes, although he is too cowardly to say it out loud.<br /><br />And in fact he does say this when he claims that abortion for any reason is wrong as in his view the rights of the fetus supercede those of the mother. <br /><br />Which if followed to it's logical conclusion implies that he considers women to be less than fully human.<br /><br />I'm so confused, can we get a theologian to explain all this ?<br />steve oberskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067724166134333068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-43770496230972984282015-04-09T12:48:06.736-04:002015-04-09T12:48:06.736-04:00And speaking of catholics and down's syndrome,...<i>And speaking of catholics and down's syndrome, a catholic bishop recently compared being gay to being afflicted with down's syndrome.</i><br /><br />From that article:<br /><br /><i>Speaking in the run-up to the spring meeting of Ireland's Catholic bishops, the Bishop of Elphin Kevin Doran implied that being gay was a disability, when asked whether he believed being born gay could be what God intended.<br /><br /><br />"That would be to suggest that if some people are born with Down's syndrome or Spina Bifida, that that was what God intended either," he told NewsTalk Breakfast radio.</i><br /><br />What exactly is the bishop saying there? That people with Down Syndrome or spina bifida are not creatures of God? Are the spawn of Satan or something? Does he believe, as with homosexuality, that these people are "disordered" and "sinful" and should not be allowed to marry? <br /><br />I don't think just homosexuals should be offended by the words of this bigot in a white collar.Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-92023578226626441012015-04-09T12:27:47.963-04:002015-04-09T12:27:47.963-04:00I mentioned paternal age and schizophrenia because...I mentioned paternal age and schizophrenia because folks are all over possible effects from various maternal factors, but paternal factors are often overlooked, thus leading to various anti-vaccine groups failing to be cognizant of it.judmarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03111006189037693272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-10663777990629425462015-04-09T11:11:59.223-04:002015-04-09T11:11:59.223-04:00Interesting, there is a correlation between matern...Interesting, there is a correlation between maternal age and the incidence of down's syndrome as well.<br /><br />As an anecdotal aside, I recall from my youth that a significant number of my catholic friends came from families that had a child with down's syndrome.<br /><br />This appears to be backed up by at least one study:<br /><br /><i>Turning to religious affiliation, just over a quarter of the mothers of the children with Down's syndrome were Roman Catholic compared with only one mother in the control group</i>.<br /><br />And speaking of catholics and down's syndrome, <a href="http://www.christiantoday.com/article/catholic.bishop.compares.homosexuality.to.downs.syndrome/49668.htm" rel="nofollow">a catholic bishop recently compared being gay to being afflicted with down's syndrome</a>.<br /><br />Now I admit to a slight anti-catholic bias but I just could not make up stuff as vile as comes out of the mouth of actual catholics.<br />steve oberskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067724166134333068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-63309897629979256032015-04-09T10:48:02.385-04:002015-04-09T10:48:02.385-04:00One real effect is from the tendency toward later ...One real effect is from the tendency toward later marriage in wealthier nations. The ages of both parents are implicated as a factor in autism (as they get older, particularly the father, the probability increases; the same pattern occurs in schizophrenia).judmarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03111006189037693272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-19895486690921275982015-04-09T10:14:58.465-04:002015-04-09T10:14:58.465-04:00Nobody so far has explained why there is such a dr...<i>Nobody so far has explained why there is such a drastic increase of autism cases in parts of the world where ALL VACCINES are readily available in comparison to countries where they are not and why when people immigrate from country with lack of vaccines to countries with loads of vaccines the increase of autism among the children of the immigrants is observed in the first generation.</i><br /><br />Increased exposure to Big Mac's? Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-30318998229933056972015-04-09T09:47:36.284-04:002015-04-09T09:47:36.284-04:00More bullshit from Pest.
There is no evidence of ...More bullshit from Pest.<br /><br />There is no evidence of a true increase in ASD.<br /><br />The hypothesis of a higher prevalence among immigrants or particular ethnic groups has not been supported by a proper statistical analysis of the results so far.steve oberskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067724166134333068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-21535712370251581852015-04-09T08:42:36.184-04:002015-04-09T08:42:36.184-04:00Nobody so far has explained why there is such a dr...Nobody so far has explained why there is such a drastic increase of autism cases in parts of the world where ALL VACCINES are readily available in comparison to countries where they are not and why when people immigrate from country with lack of vaccines to countries with loads of vaccines the increase of autism among the children of the immigrants is observed in the first generation. Jmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392421995310271733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-35427876015127628132015-04-09T08:38:57.227-04:002015-04-09T08:38:57.227-04:00Its time YOU present evidence, instead of baseless...<i>Its time YOU present evidence, instead of baseless arguments.</i><br /><br />Of course you'll simply ignore any evidence when presented, but it's nice of you to admit you've just been putting forward baseless arguments.<br /><br />The biggest studies, involving well over a million children between them, were conducted in Denmark and California. (I'm not going to bother doing your Googling for you - they're easy enough to find.) These found exactly zero, zilch, nada linkage between vaccines and autism - nothing from the individual vaccines, and nothing from the "too many too soon" nonsense that it seems denialists always try to fall back on once arguments about specific vaccines are demolished. <br /><br />Regarding "too many too soon" - The load on the immune system from all vaccines ever received in your lifetime is some tiny fraction of what occurs at birth, when eating a meal, or in a day spent playing in the park. The usefulness of vaccines is not the load, which is small, but the specificity, alerting the immune system to react to particular antigens.judmarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03111006189037693272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-36559217563046018912015-04-09T08:27:16.396-04:002015-04-09T08:27:16.396-04:00Judmarc,
Its time YOU present evidence, instead...Judmarc, <br /><br />Its time YOU present evidence, instead of baseless arguments. Jmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392421995310271733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-52939180406683738922015-04-09T08:23:59.888-04:002015-04-09T08:23:59.888-04:00bwilson295,
Most boys develop symptoms of autism ...bwilson295,<br /><br />Most boys develop symptoms of autism within few weeks of being vaccinated no matter at what age they receive the load of vaccines. In North America kids receive them at about 18 months. Many boys didn't receive them until much later in life and still developed autism symptoms within few weeks of vaccination. <br /><br />The issue here is possibly the amount of vaccines given each time not the vaccines themselves. <br /><br />Jmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392421995310271733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-13046211889291470772015-04-09T08:11:46.463-04:002015-04-09T08:11:46.463-04:00Steve Oberski,
It seems you accuse everyone of b...Steve Oberski,<br /><br />It seems you accuse everyone of being someone's sock puppets each time someone points out you are clueless on the theme. I guess it makes you feel like a scientist.Jmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392421995310271733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-36130891711300118862015-04-09T06:31:23.209-04:002015-04-09T06:31:23.209-04:00You don't get it because it didn't effect ...<i>You don't get it because it didn't effect you personally.</i><br /><br />That's the second consecutive time in this thread that the more certain you were, the more wrong you were.judmarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03111006189037693272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-39369229388581298282015-04-09T01:11:06.596-04:002015-04-09T01:11:06.596-04:00The possible correlation between autism and vaccin...The possible correlation between autism and vaccinations is a testable hypothesis. Testing it would take examining thorough medical records of thousands of children. In many countries, such records are available. Not surprisingly, this hypothesis has been tested. <br /><br />(Before a computer meltdown, I had copies of about a dozen such studies. Sorry I don't have the references at hand, but surely you can find them if you're really interested in becoming informed.) <br /><br />Conclusions? Vaccinations aren't causing autism. Children tend to develop autism at an age when they are still receiving certain vaccinations, but vaccination doesn't cause autism (and autism doesn't cause vaccination either, though no one thought it did). <br /><br />There's no particular reason to believe me about this, but you can look up well designed, large scale studies and find out for yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-36811528160294814722015-04-08T18:55:39.213-04:002015-04-08T18:55:39.213-04:00Here's the thing Pest ot WItton or Quest or wh...Here's the thing Pest ot WItton or Quest or whatever sock puppet trollish moniker you are hiding behind these days, compared to you Robert Byers is a paragon of honesty, integrity and rationality and I would "comport" with Mr. Byers any day of the week before wallowing in your delusional slime pit.<br />steve oberskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067724166134333068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-56317709286107873502015-04-08T15:27:20.316-04:002015-04-08T15:27:20.316-04:00Steve Oberski ,
I perceive you don't compreh...Steve Oberski ,<br /><br />I perceive you don't comprehend the least what's being talked about here, so why don't you withdraw to the no comprehension land that is your area of comport without a doubt. When you get there, stay there with Robert Byers because that's where you evidently belong.Jmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392421995310271733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-39347837299972833352015-04-08T14:11:55.430-04:002015-04-08T14:11:55.430-04:00You can't ignore the parents of kids that are ...You can't ignore the parents of kids that are too young to vaccinate or have compromised immune systems and are needlessly put at risk by idiots like you who irresponsibly promulgate invidious bullshit of this sort.<br /><br />You don't get it because it doesn't affect you personally. <br /><br />Neither do I, but at least I try to sympathize.steve oberskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067724166134333068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-57073009824661762962015-04-08T14:01:26.160-04:002015-04-08T14:01:26.160-04:00No. But you can't ignore the parents of autist...No. But you can't ignore the parents of autistic kids; many of them are scientists that question the validity of the scientific results. You don't get it because it didn't effect you personally. Neither do I, but at least I try to sympathize.Jmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392421995310271733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-25879279816485662032015-04-08T13:24:26.040-04:002015-04-08T13:24:26.040-04:00There is a correlation between kids receiving vacc...<i>There is a correlation between kids receiving vaccines and developing autism, otherwise there wouldn’t be so many studies done to refute it.</i><br /><br />So the more frequently it is factually demonstrated in the real world there is no link, the more fervently you believe the opposite. *There's* a logical strategy. :eyeroll:judmarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03111006189037693272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-20445386333985176762015-04-08T13:16:34.026-04:002015-04-08T13:16:34.026-04:00Diogenes,
”Pest, please do not tell us about corp...Diogenes,<br /><br /><i>”Pest, please do not tell us about corporate profits. Tell us directly:<br /><br />1. Do vaccines cause autism or have significant permanent negative consequences?”</i><br /><br />I neither have proof that vaccines cause autism nor that they don’t. I have not formed an educated opinion yet. There is a correlation between kids receiving vaccines and developing autism, otherwise there wouldn’t be so many studies done to refute it. The drastic increase of autism cases in countries where ALL VACCINES are available and administered often several at the same time, made a lot of people nervous. I look at it this way: If you don’t know where the problem may be, follow the money. I did. <br /><br /><i>2. Who is your authority on that?</i><br /><br />I certainly do not trust “science” that does what is “the best for the majority” and not what is the best for ALL. Science can influenced by governments and big pharma or both to keep the majority satisfied and not to cause panic, public outrage and massive class-action lawsuits. <br /><br /><i>3. How many creationists are anti-vaxxers</i><br /><br />What’s this have anything to do with the issue? If one day from now it’s is going to be proven that vaccines in one way or another contribute to autism or even cause it, will creationists be vindicated? Where are you going to be?<br />Jmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392421995310271733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-17254259646881243392015-04-07T13:29:03.434-04:002015-04-07T13:29:03.434-04:00Sensuous Curmudgeon coined the phrase, "Vindi...Sensuous Curmudgeon coined the phrase, "Vindication of all Cranks." If scientists are wrong about vaccines, why, they're wrong about global warming too!Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.com