tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post3307153625022729354..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Test Your Scientific SkepticismLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-39077215176993152972014-06-13T07:44:38.223-04:002014-06-13T07:44:38.223-04:00There is a difference between being suspicious abo...There is a difference between being suspicious about the content and saying that it is bad.LeoBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01866791882715154854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-55199647631639904282013-11-09T00:34:06.911-05:002013-11-09T00:34:06.911-05:00CYP is effected by a lot things, so on its own, it...CYP is effected by a lot things, so on its own, it isn't a good bio marker. caynazzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11263280738905977688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-27159777470475778092013-11-08T18:53:46.127-05:002013-11-08T18:53:46.127-05:00Larry,
This stuff smells to me like pesticides f...Larry, <br /> This stuff smells to me like pesticides few years ago... It doesn't mean all science is wrong like you think. It means that science driven by greed is most of the time wrong...I can pretty much bet on it if you are interested....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-54848043859000552142013-11-08T12:25:22.428-05:002013-11-08T12:25:22.428-05:00What did it for me is that there isn't a singl...What did it for me is that there isn't a single experimental design statement, there isn't a single results statement, there's not statistical statement, and there's not a single number (the numerals are naming something, not a number).<br /><br />Science papers are also about one topic, one experimental variable, not dozens. How can they possible measure the effects of glychophosphate on nine different conditions, most of which are known to have multiple factors influencing them. What kind of cancer? What kind of Autism? <br /><br />The final note is that something of this magnitude, if there was any supporting evidence at all, would be a shoe-in for Nature or Science... not a crap journal.<br /><br />I wouldn't waste my time either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-19565181194821669202013-11-08T04:45:35.582-05:002013-11-08T04:45:35.582-05:00Yes "minor" problems can be fixed by man...Yes "minor" problems can be fixed by many ways because one can trigger the memory to change its stuck unwelcome ideas. Retardation is only a further threshold on the spectrum and is not easily put into a proper triggering mode.<br />Its still just the triggering mechanism but indeed its quite broken.<br />Idiot savants and many retarded peoples always have above average memories that tell what the real problem is. They are not abberations but clues to the true equation of all mental problems.<br />The only genetic defect would be something involved in the genes controling the memory or rather the triggering mechanism. Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-73433939362821369372013-11-08T00:47:00.416-05:002013-11-08T00:47:00.416-05:00I tend to be skeptical of health studies in the fi...I tend to be skeptical of health studies in the first place, and trendy conclusions about health rather more.<br /><br />Still, I thought this, from the first debunker site, was bizarre:<br /><br /><i>And since it is well known that little glyphosate is ever absorbed into the body, but is nearly all eliminated in the urine and feces, almost every one of these hypotheses does not stand up to actual facts.</i><br /><br />Well, if it's eliminated in urine, then it was absorbed. Much? I don't know, it's just that if it were almost entirely eliminated in feces then I'd know that it's not absorbed. If significant amounts are eliminated in urine, it's absorbed significantly. Possibly it would be eliminated in urine almost immediately, in which case it would have little chance of doing much, but it could be eliminated after a long residence time--for all that I know.<br /><br />Why aren't we all dead if glyphosate is so bad? It's so widespread that Americans, especially (since GMOs concern a low percentage of USAians), should be greatly affected if it were so dire. I use it to kill weeds. I'd be skeptical (not dismissive, however) if it were published in <i>Nature</i>, wanting duplication of results, at least.<br /><br /><a href="http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p" rel="nofollow">Glen Davidson</a> Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15647353309370269220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-20313040537402939312013-11-08T00:04:00.128-05:002013-11-08T00:04:00.128-05:00Robert Byers said:
Autism is just in the spectrum ...Robert Byers said:<br />Autism is just in the spectrum of retardation and phobias.<br /><br />Really? Phobias are easily cured by many methods, from conditioning, hyphnotism et ceterea to psychotherapy. Retardeness unfortunatly is something one has to suffer all through life, it is a mental (genetic?) defect. But you don't believe in genes...Rolf Aalberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12878337054438652463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-81671847647548407522013-11-07T17:36:38.223-05:002013-11-07T17:36:38.223-05:00I also see that Mae Wan-Ho has a paper in the curr...I also see that Mae Wan-Ho has a paper in the current edition of "Entropy" . Ho is a well known anti-GMO extremist. I shall add this to my list of "journals" that my students should ignore.nmanninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14767343547942014627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-23519733575582169712013-11-07T04:53:00.898-05:002013-11-07T04:53:00.898-05:00""We are souls and think with our souls ...""We are souls and think with our souls and so logically its impossible for out thinking to be affected by the material world. only the material part of our brain, the memory, can be affected and thats all that is affected.""<br /><br />So, when you die and your soul goes to Heaven, you forget everything you knew, who you were, etc, right?Pedro A B Pereirahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15195139833344839287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-22665242332225768152013-11-07T00:04:46.718-05:002013-11-07T00:04:46.718-05:00IGF secretion failure by serotonin interference le...IGF secretion failure by serotonin interference leads to Autism. Who says????<br />Never read that as a fact. Sounds like the same speculation as the topic here.<br />Autism , I say, is not proven to be related to serotonin levels in people. if it was Autism could kick in at any point of a persons life. That doesn't happen.<br />Autism is just in the spectrum of retardation and phobias.<br />its all just interference with the triggering mechanism for the memory.<br />Memory is the problem behind all mental problems whether enduring or episodic.<br />We are souls and think with our souls and so logically its impossible for out thinking to be affected by the material world. only the material part of our brain, the memory, can be affected and thats all that is affected.Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-70030521108244914062013-11-06T15:44:36.968-05:002013-11-06T15:44:36.968-05:00The first thing that raised my eyebrow was "x...The first thing that raised my eyebrow was "xenobiotics." After that there was "serum suflate transport." By then I was wondering about the apparent shaprness in CYP 450, which sounds like a specific enzyme (but turns out somehow to be plural?) contrasted to the very large number of diseases implicated. My source didn't have any information on the authors. Looking at the webpage they linked to, it looked like a regular journal abstract, but I'd never heard of Entropy. <br /><br />To be honest, my impression at that point was that it was hooey but I wasn't quite certain. So far as I know, changes in gut bacteria are as of now a plausible candidate for investigation of a few conditions., notably obesity, which is implicated in some diabetes. S Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11610068751705809284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-38109724679199006952013-11-06T13:35:30.862-05:002013-11-06T13:35:30.862-05:00Very interesting paper and video. I'm not sayi...Very interesting paper and video. I'm not saying Samsel is a crank but he seems very good at doing what cranks do: taking a great deal of knowledge and imagination and creating superficially plausible scenarios that trace cause and effect. <br />Yes, glyphosate could kill some gut microbes and not others and yes the gut microbiome is important for health in many ways. Glyphosate blocks the synthesis of tryptophan, some of which is converted to serotonin which is involved in IGF secretion, which could lead to autism and other conditions. But is any of this happening? One can cut to the chase and simply test people who've been exposed. As I understand theres no indication that any of this is happening but I sympathize with people who dont trust the scientific community on this. Whenever big monied interests are involved theres the possibility of a coverup and many people dont know who they can trust. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-1684939502136968412013-11-06T06:39:20.415-05:002013-11-06T06:39:20.415-05:00BIOSEMIOTIC ENTROPY. Two key words in one meaningl...BIOSEMIOTIC ENTROPY. Two key words in one meaningless package.Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-19648833633529027362013-11-06T04:40:35.945-05:002013-11-06T04:40:35.945-05:00Yes, this "journal" is quite "inter...Yes, this "journal" is quite "interesting". Here's another abstract from the same journal:<br /><br />""The original rationale and impetus for artificial genetic modification was the “central dogma” of molecular biology that assumed DNA carries all the instructions for making an organism, which are transmitted via RNA to protein to biological function in linear causal chains. This is contrary to the reality of the “fluid genome” that has emerged since the mid-1970s. In order to survive, the organism needs to engage in natural genetic modification in real time, an exquisitely precise molecular dance of life with RNA and DNA responding to and participating in “downstream” biological functions. Artificial genetic modification, in contrast, is crude, imprecise, and interferes with the natural process. It drives natural systems towards maximum biosemiotic entropy as the perturbations are propagated and amplified through the complex cascades of interactions between subsystems that are essential for health and longevity.""<br /><br />For a moment I thought I was reading the latest nonsense from James Shapiro.Pedro A B Pereirahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15195139833344839287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-68836026976561575982013-11-06T01:49:57.186-05:002013-11-06T01:49:57.186-05:00Independent scientists means independent of gettin...Independent scientists means independent of getting paid as a scientist! Who says he is a scientist! What is a scientist? A degree at 22! mom I'm a scientist. A scientist is a verb and not a noun or rather scientific actions are based on standards of investigation into something. Not a title like DUKE OR EARL.<br /><br />50% of folks with be autistic! That did it for me.<br />Autisms and depression from a creationist stance do NOT come from agents outside the body. They are just items in a spectrum of failure in triggering mechanisms for the memory.<br />Nothing to do with foods.Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-33676010378984125642013-11-05T23:00:44.052-05:002013-11-05T23:00:44.052-05:00People with unusual credentials and non-standard e...People with unusual credentials and non-standard employment positions can make important contributions to biology, but this article doesn’t seem to be an example. The article’s problems do not end with the claim that one herbicide can be responsible for – well, contribute to – most of the ills of modern life including “inflammatory bowel disease, obesity, depression, ADHD, autism, Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, ALS, multiple sclerosis, cancer, cachexia, infertility, and developmental malformations.” <br /><br />This is an ambitious review paper that cites over 280 articles. Unfortunately one of them, cited as if authoritative, is Séralini et al. (2012), a badly designed study purporting to show that both glyphosphate and GMO glyphosphate-resistant corn produces tumor in tumor-susceptible rodents. <br /><br />The very use of the work “biosemiotics” raises red flags for me. I didn’t know the word, and my confidence was not increased by a quick trip to Wikipedia that revealed this it is “a growing field that studies the production and interpretation of signs and codes in the biological realm.” Apparently it “challenges normative views of biology.” No doubt. <br /><br />The explanation in the introductions that “The connection to sulfate transport is more indirect, but justifiable from basic principles of biophysics” didn’t improve my impression of the paper. Biophysical theory can suggest a lot of things, but one should test those hypotheses to check if they coincide with reality. <br /><br />So I didn’t read most of this article. It’s 50 pages long and I have more useful things to do, including wash my hair. <br /><br />(article I cited: Séralini, G.-E.; Clair, E.; Mesnage, R.; Gress, S.; Defarge, N.; Malatesta, M.; Hennequin, D.; Spiroux de Vendˆomois, J. Long term toxicity of a Roundup herbicide and a Roundup-tolerant genetically modified maize. Food Chem. Toxicol. 2012, 50, 4221–4231.)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-29561028341124878752013-11-05T20:35:59.781-05:002013-11-05T20:35:59.781-05:00How about this in the abstract:
Here, we show how...How about this in the abstract:<br /><br /><i>Here, we show how interference with CYP enzymes acts synergistically with disruption of the biosynthesis of aromatic amino acids by gut bacteria, as well as impairment in serum sulfate transport.</i><br /><br />In addition to the sentence not quite making sense, these claims would need to be based upon a considerable amount of detailed experimentation. I've only read the abstract, but I'm guessing the paper will demonstrate that they have done little or no actual research.SRMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07299706694667706149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-23111095738661853272013-11-05T19:56:51.355-05:002013-11-05T19:56:51.355-05:00This giveaway sentence would be enough for me:
Co...This giveaway sentence would be enough for me:<br /><br /><i>Consequences are most of the diseases and conditions associated with a Western diet, which include gastrointestinal disorders, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, depression, autism, infertility, cancer and Alzheimer’s disease.</i><br /><br />A vist to the second author's <a href="http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/" rel="nofollow">home page</a> is quite revealing. She's an electric engineer who<br /><br /><i>has focused her research interests back towards biology</i> [she received a BS degree in Biophysics back in the 1960s]. <i>She is concentrating mainly on the relationship between nutrition and health.</i><br /><br />Yep, the root of all evil, from cancer to autism, has been identified.<br /><br />In fact, she must be quite obsessed with the subject. She publishes prolifically, mostly in <i>Entropy</i>, which apparently just LOVES this kind of fringe stuff.Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-71250893741062938522013-11-05T18:30:45.692-05:002013-11-05T18:30:45.692-05:00If there's anything in the biochemistry, I mis...If there's anything in the biochemistry, I missed it, but this gave it away:<br /><br />1. Published in "Entropy", which sounds as a physics journal.<br /><br />2. Author with unspecific credentials.<br /><br />3. Author with unrelated credentials.<br /><br />4. Claim glyphosate to cause almost every bad thing imaginable, except halitosis.E Ascarrunzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10831718023466138476noreply@blogger.com