tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post2942059905766800213..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: The Academic Discipline of Science & Religion StudiesLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-4409549446479559022010-06-13T06:48:52.465-04:002010-06-13T06:48:52.465-04:00Dave says:
"There is only one way of knowing...Dave says:<br /><br />"There is only one way of knowing, either a statement is true or false, and that fact applies equally to physics and metaphysics."<br /><br />The above comment demonstrates the ignorance of its author. <br /><br />First, ways of knowing are typically viewed as part of epistemology. Whether a statement is true or false is more a question of ontology. In other words, they aren't the same thing.<br /><br />Second, not all statements can be classified as either true or false; this is an inappropriate black-or-white view. Mathematics has supplied us with ample examples of this fact, including the Continuum Hypothesis. Logicians, too, have provided us with examples of such statements, including "this statement is false". Some statements are undecidable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-72532567002921619862010-06-11T17:00:15.267-04:002010-06-11T17:00:15.267-04:00Larry, by "going through" I do not mean ...Larry, by "going through" I do not mean "reading" I mean "publishing." There are academic venues where New Atheists could publish their arguments and engage with the standard peer review process. But instead they choose a different path. Which means that their ideas are not represented in the academic discourse in the field.Josh Rosenauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07304209937998935215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-49450354711886010032010-06-10T09:27:05.828-04:002010-06-10T09:27:05.828-04:00Anonymous writes:
I'd like for someone to pre...Anonymous writes:<br /><br /><i>I'd like for someone to present that any complex thing in the universe arose by chance.</i><br /><br />Look at a map of the USA. See the path of the Mississippi? So complex you couldn't write an equation to define it. And it arose by chance when glaciers melted, unless you prefer to believe it was Babe the Blue Ox pulling Paul Bunyan's plow.Judnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-52554382494038013842010-06-09T00:31:05.358-04:002010-06-09T00:31:05.358-04:00starting with all atoms.
4p -> He4 + 2e+ + 2v...<i>starting with all atoms. </i><br /><br />4p -> He4 + 2e+ + 2ve'<br /><br />There you go.Zarquonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04549353321138561998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-63437933045628533062010-06-09T00:16:13.723-04:002010-06-09T00:16:13.723-04:00Define complex.Define complex.Michael Fugatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-16581884222830113512010-06-08T23:34:01.575-04:002010-06-08T23:34:01.575-04:00I'd like for someone to present that any compl...I'd like for someone to present that any complex thing in the universe arose by chance. You've got gazzilions of things to choose from....starting with all atoms. <br /><br />go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-91521620896709560912010-06-08T19:21:12.173-04:002010-06-08T19:21:12.173-04:00While you're at it, please explain why differe...<i><b>While you're at it, please explain why different religions arrive at different conclusions.</b></i><br /><br /><i>Because different religions begin with different assumptions.</i><br /><br />Ahhh, Euclid's geometry! It all makes so much sense now. Thanks for splainin!386sxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-80132028933452375132010-06-08T16:45:31.212-04:002010-06-08T16:45:31.212-04:00Why hello Soren
What could be the cause if it is ...Why hello Soren<br /><br />What could be the cause if it is not included within the space/time continuum? God? The little green fairies at the CRU? There is a limited number of options.<br /><br />I did crack a book once... now I read them, it's more informative.Davehttp://www.gracecamrose.ca/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-20027044325953844882010-06-08T16:13:59.466-04:002010-06-08T16:13:59.466-04:00So Dave.
How about you taking your own a advice a...So Dave.<br /><br />How about you taking your own a advice and crack a book sometime eh?<br /><br />Atheism is not a religion, it is the lack of faith in gods.<br /><br />Your blatherings about time/space continuum and causes is not part of being an atheist, indeed it is not an assumption necessary for being an atheist.<br /><br />Nice try though, thank you for playingUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14100437978294812450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-83108545429189873072010-06-08T15:26:13.808-04:002010-06-08T15:26:13.808-04:00I think I'm becoming inured to the sophomoric ...I think I'm becoming inured to the sophomoric level of "debate" in the halls of academe.<br /><br /><b>Joshua Rosenau thinks that science and religion are different ways of knowing.[...]</b><br /><br />There is only one way of knowing, either a statement is true or false, and that fact applies equally to physics and metaphysics. <br /><br /><b>While you're at it, please explain why different religions arrive at different conclusions.</b><br /><br />Because different religions begin with different assumptions. Atheism, for example, begins with the assumption that ultimate reality is the time/space continuum and all effects are the result of prior time/space causes. Buddhism begins with the assumption that unconscious mind is the source of ultimate reality and that the time/space continuum is illusion. <br /><br />Between the two is a spectrum of different belief systems with more or less evidential support. Whatever degree of support any one of them may exhibit the fact remains that none may be asserted with absolute certainty. Each is a "leap of faith" - atheism as much as any other theism. <br /><br />Perhaps you should study a little philosphy and theology before you pontificate on matter which you comprehendeth not.Davehttp://www.gracecamrose.ca/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-22582528792183619212010-06-08T14:57:48.177-04:002010-06-08T14:57:48.177-04:00"Joshua Rosenau thinks that science and relig..."Joshua Rosenau thinks that science and religion are different ways of knowing."<br /><br />I don't think he does. I think he merely sees them as not incompatible philosophically. That's a point so obvious as to be axiomatic. Science is a method of examining the world and a body of knowledge. It is not a philosophy. It does not and cannot conflict with religion <i>per se</i> even though it negates any number of religious claims (such as a 6,000 year-old earth).<br /><br /><i>There are perfectly valid, rational, objections to accommodationism.</i><br /><br />Bullshit. It's unsupportable nonsense designed to short-circuit discussion of religious questions by demonizing the opposition and declaring that certain topics are off-limits as unworthy of "real" scientists. If science is in necessary conflict with religion, it's also in necessary conflict with ethics, moral concerns, human rights, politics and much of life's most interesting questions in that they all rest upon undemonstrated (and often unevidenced) assumptions.Sinbadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01116688014786297876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-78879786806984960752010-06-08T14:47:34.767-04:002010-06-08T14:47:34.767-04:00http://www.loiterink.com/photos/products/182_3424_...http://www.loiterink.com/photos/products/182_3424_500x500.jpg<br /><br />they are incapable of telling the difference between SCIENTIFIC *FACT* AND RELIGIOUS AND PHILOSOPHICAL *TRUTH*... FATAL ERROR!<br /><br />they also preach a *VALUE FREE SCIENCE* called *POSITIVISM* that ignores the inequalities of wealth and power in capitalist civilization...<br /><br /><br /><br />for a sample taste of PZ Myers' GARBAGE...<br /><br />http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/06/sunday_sacrilege_imagine_no_he.php<br /><br /><br />HIJACKING IN PROGRESS!!!<br /><br />http://hawaiiwebgroup.com/maui-design/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/website-hijacking.jpg<br /><br /><br />HIJACKING IN PROGRESS!!!<br /><br />how can these HEADLESS IDIOTS BET AGAINST GOD!!!<br />________________________________________<br /><br /><br />what happens when you LOSE Pascal's Wager...<br /><br /><br />http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics/pascals-wager.htm<br /><br />_____________<br /><br /><br />you FIGHT PAPER MONSTERS...<br /><br />the blood and bodies of the atheist movement...<br /><br /><br />you mofos killed MICKEY MOUSE!!!!<br /><br /><br />this has more TRUTH then what Dawkins, Randi, Harris, Myers, and Shermer<br />combined have said in their entire lives...<br /><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=5R2wE8Sduhs&playnext_from=TL&videos=hht1U_19anc&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_fresh%2Bdiv-1r-3-HM<br /><br /><br /><br />they tried to BULLDOZE the entire METAPHYSICAL DIMENSION...<br /><br />they LOST THE WAR......<br /><br />you have FORFEIT YOUR SOUL, shermer... you have become an object in the<br />material world, as you WISHED...<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB4j0n2UDU<br /><br />http://farm1.static.flickr.com/7/11792994_ffaaee87fa.jpg<br /><br />we're gonna smash that TV...<br /><br />They had become ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE AND OF GOD...<br />you pushed too much and *CROSSED THE LINE*<br /><br />degenerates (PZ) or children (HEMANT) - ATHEISTS!<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRRg2tWGDSY<br /><br />do you have anything to say, you STUPID LITTLE F*CKER?<br /><br />how about I tell you, Mr. Shermer, EVERYTHING YOU THINK ABOUT THE WORLD is<br /><br />*WRONG*<br /><br />THE BOOBQUAKE - 911!<br /><br />http://dissidentphilosophy.lifediscussion.net/philosophy-f1/the-boobquake-911-t1310.htm<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx7XNb3Q9Ek<br /><br />RUN, ATHEISTS, RUN!!!<br /><br />-------------------DMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11389651479904502758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-88622917924986231002010-06-08T09:14:34.372-04:002010-06-08T09:14:34.372-04:00I am not the "Anonymous" who commented f...I am not the "Anonymous" who commented first (must get an ID!)<br />I wish to ask that "Anonymous": you seem to regard everything that occurs as miraculous. If so, doesn't that deprive the word "miraculous" of any meaning? If not, can you point to something in the world which is not miraculous?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-34579557330050690172010-06-08T07:28:57.476-04:002010-06-08T07:28:57.476-04:00Anonymous writes:
Right. Atheists believe in gazi...Anonymous writes:<br /><br /><i>Right. Atheists believe in gazillions of little miracles...miracles like chemicals and physical laws and billions of nucleotides and various molecules that just zap themselves into existence.</i><br /><br />It's wonderful to see all these miraculous things, and even more wonderful to experience the joy of beginning to understand how they came about. Folks who say "Looking for natural explanations is forbidden, it occurred by magic!" ruin our fun and are generally a drag.Judnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-41067505901326031542010-06-08T06:21:27.909-04:002010-06-08T06:21:27.909-04:00Psi Wavefunction, Anonymous is just frustrated bec...Psi Wavefunction, Anonymous is just frustrated because his god is always invisible and silent, so nobody will just lie down and take Anonymous's word for everything. You can imagine the frustration. But, sorry, there has to be some sort of evidence other than Anonymous's say-so, or Anonymous's God winning by default just because Anonymous can't understand something. It just doesn't work that way.386sxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-15365443092135730212010-06-07T23:57:19.417-04:002010-06-07T23:57:19.417-04:00@Anon
Actually, we don't actually have any mi...@Anon<br /><br />Actually, we don't actually have any miracles. The more you learn, the less something is of a miracle, and the more comprehensible (and thus, enjoyable), it becomes. Personally, I'd hate miracles - they're spooky. Keep in mind that to a child, -everything- is a miracle, incl Santa's Christmas presents! Magic is a cheap drug to wonder; understanding, while demanding, is much more intense and long-lasting! =DPsi Wavefunctionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10829712736757471647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-20363676791305937792010-06-07T23:51:19.549-04:002010-06-07T23:51:19.549-04:00My bad, it appears there are technically journals ...My bad, it appears there are technically journals about religion and science. Who knew?Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02590604089043425452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-29018320629460344272010-06-07T19:40:48.925-04:002010-06-07T19:40:48.925-04:00Just out of curiosity, how would one go about enga...Just out of curiosity, how would one go about engaging academic discussion on science and religion? Is there a journal for it? Or is it more like the humanities, where writing books is accepted scholarship? Because if the latter is acceptable, then could it be possible for "The God Delusion" to be an academic discourse by simply binding it ugly grey, leavening with yellowed pages, and have it rotting in the stacks of some library?<br /><br />Also, I'm surprised that there is an academic discipline on science AND religion.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02590604089043425452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-100347988277097392010-06-07T19:35:18.120-04:002010-06-07T19:35:18.120-04:00Larry: "Atheists don't believe in superna...Larry: "Atheists don't believe in supernatural beings."<br /><br />Right. Atheists believe in gazillions of little miracles...miracles like chemicals and physical laws and billions of nucleotides and various molecules that just zap themselves into existence. That doesn't even count the miraculous generation of life from non-life and the miraculous generation of the life-friendly universe from nothing. Larry, why do you kid yourself that you don't believe in the miraculous or the supernatural? How does something space and time and matter and energy mindlessly zap itself into existence? Maybe this is why you atheists number only about 8 percent of the population. You people have no room to criticize anyone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com