tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post2885214380232568245..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Weep for the Poor Persecuted IDiotsLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-22072446633808215522013-03-21T08:34:35.256-04:002013-03-21T08:34:35.256-04:00Finally, TWT knows full well that I have asked tha...<i>Finally, TWT knows full well that I have asked that my name not be used on the web because of spam issues.</i><br /><br />Come off it. Ask people not to use your name, fair enough. But, spam issues? I never use anything but my own name on the web these days (as do many others) and it makes not one iota of difference. Maybe if your email address were published, that might generate you some spam but just your name? That's preposterous!Alan Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16470368958109056177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-3575945662519965472013-03-21T04:33:21.964-04:002013-03-21T04:33:21.964-04:00Mullings:
1. It's far too late - anyone with ...Mullings:<br /><br />1. It's far too late - anyone with rudimentary googling skills will find your pseudonym and real name linked all over the internet.<br />2. This IS the internet - you throw faeces into it, it will be thrown right back, with interest<br />3.There are excellent spam filters freely available - get one<br />4. Please keep posting - not only are your tirades peculiarly entertaining, I cannot imagine anything else more likely to induce thoughtful young people to reject religion and IDdamitallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12236721757313260171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-77459754137463485002013-02-23T04:21:24.982-05:002013-02-23T04:21:24.982-05:00Mr Moran:
With all due respect, web harassment i...Mr Moran: <br /><br />With all due respect, web harassment is bullying (and I see you are harbouring one of the chief offenders in my case . . . [and TWT, I stand by my point that Aiden's lyrics are inexcusable and Mr Dawkins should never have stood on a stage in an event where they were featured]). <br /><br />Kindly, let the record show this. <br /><br />Next, the truth on Hitler -- contrary to commonly asserted claims on sites that irresponsibly say "Hitler was a Christian" -- is that Nazism was anti-Christian. This, I have documented <a href="http://kairosfocus.blogspot.com/2012/01/matt-24-watch-150-visually-exposing.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and it would be useful to consult Karl Barth et al, in the Barmen Declaration for more. <br /><br />I would also note to you, that social darwinism, eugenics and scientific racism were significant science in society issues connected to the rise of Darwinism, and a responsible position on the ethics connected to science will need to frankly face and respond to it. <br /><br />Just as, physics has to face the implications of what happened to Japan in 1945. <br /><br />Finally, TWT knows full well that I have asked that my name not be used on the web because of spam issues. <br /><br />Good day.<br /><br />KFGEM of The Kairos Initiativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10622199013789009422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-17180942071856893352012-01-31T06:25:40.992-05:002012-01-31T06:25:40.992-05:00If anyone would like to see kairosfocus (gordon e ...If anyone would like to see kairosfocus (gordon e mullings) in action, this thread is a pretty good example:<br /><br />http://www.uncommondescent.com/atheism/church-burning-video-used-to-promote-atheist-event/The whole truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219999357041824471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-63136192881639525562012-01-19T10:28:34.949-05:002012-01-19T10:28:34.949-05:00Are you sure about that? I don't recall Hitche...Are you sure about that? I don't recall Hitchens mentioning this in the videos I watched.Christian Business Directoryhttp://www.bestnotebookspecs.com/2011/09/apple-macbook-pro-13-inch-price.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-34176247878396748712012-01-19T10:27:24.999-05:002012-01-19T10:27:24.999-05:00gordon elliott mullings, the religious wacko who o...gordon elliott mullings, the religious wacko who owns and runs this site, blames all the world’s ills, including Hitler and the nazis, on Darwin, atheists, and material evolutionists.Christian Business Directoryhttp://www.bestnotebookspecs.com/2011/09/apple-macbook-pro-13-inch-price.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-23929701009499354132012-01-17T05:15:42.456-05:002012-01-17T05:15:42.456-05:00Something to consider in the 'blame Darwin and...Something to consider in the 'blame Darwin and evolutionary materialism for Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot' baloney is that MANY other tyrants lived BEFORE Darwin. Is Darwin to blame for them too? And were any or all of those tyrants evolutionary materialists?The whole truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219999357041824471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-68064761211227183822012-01-17T04:56:37.586-05:002012-01-17T04:56:37.586-05:00kilo papa, have you seen these?
http://www.evilbi...kilo papa, have you seen these?<br /><br />http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm<br /><br />http://coelsblog.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/nazi-racial-ideology-was-religious-creationist-and-opposed-to-darwinism/The whole truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219999357041824471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-30481773840282975182012-01-16T12:33:06.867-05:002012-01-16T12:33:06.867-05:00Communism?
Are you sure about that? I don't re...Communism?<br />Are you sure about that? I don't recall Hitchens mentioning this in the videos I watched.<br />If yes, could you give a link?<br /><br />AFAIK Catholic Church was opposed to Communism (Communism was atheistic and antireligious). IIRC Hitchens said only that Communism itself was religious in its core.Arek W.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-21614880449744793712012-01-16T03:20:55.901-05:002012-01-16T03:20:55.901-05:00I saw Christopher Hitchens refer to the fact that ...I saw Christopher Hitchens refer to the fact that the Catholic Church, historically, had supported Nazism, Communism and Fascism and had close ties to many of the important figures of those regimes.<br /><br />I wonder if someone could recommend a book or two that specifically address the Catholic Churches relationship to these regimes.<br /><br />Thankskilo papahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15112057471953902453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-67110003347756740342012-01-16T03:16:48.264-05:002012-01-16T03:16:48.264-05:00In everything that we know about Hitler, there is ...In everything that we know about Hitler, there is no evidence that he himself ever mentioned Darwin or is ideas, is there?kilo papahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15112057471953902453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-39539059068408712932012-01-14T05:09:14.064-05:002012-01-14T05:09:14.064-05:00Twt,
Thanks for the response. My initial, jocula...Twt, <br /><br />Thanks for the response. My initial, jocular comment was prompted by KF's approach on UD, where he described it as 'vandalism'. I was mocking their "evolution is a religion/conspiracy" stance. "Who controls the British pound, who keeps the metric system down - we do! we do!". Without delving any deeper, I (like, I suspect, most UD-sympathisers) read it as a hack, and that reflects badly on KF, not you. As I've noted elsewhere, summarily closing a thread that was getting a bit too hot to handle, then editing final comments directly into opponents' posts, is a pretty low tactic. And those posts! The horror, the horror!<br /><br />Each to their own, as regards style. There is no political movement or common agenda that 'evos' must follow. It helps to get the science right, I suppose! Beyond that, internettery is just discussion, good and bad, heated or cool, right or wrong. I do admire Elizabeth's patience and good nature in the face of provocation. And that's the tactic, for many. Provocation, then whining to the "onlookers" when a darwinist (sic) blows their top, is pure politics. I have posted at various ID locales in intermittent bursts. And it is driving me slowly, steadily insane!<br /><br />PS My favourite comment was from a guy who'd created a blog in order to mess with Doug Dobney. Someone chastised him for immaturity. His response: "I created a blog just to f*** with someone on the internet. Do you really think maturity is my strong suit?".Allan Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-22085432690452141912012-01-14T03:56:54.315-05:002012-01-14T03:56:54.315-05:00Impatience can be embarrassing ;-)Impatience can be embarrassing ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-5566000344890621962012-01-14T03:29:44.259-05:002012-01-14T03:29:44.259-05:00Sparc, the coelsblog site is one of the ones I lin...Sparc, the coelsblog site is one of the ones I linked to that gordon mullings Xed out in his recent tirade on UD. <br /><br />My original comments (that he calls vandalism, etc.) were like this:<br /><br />gordon elliott mullings, the religious wacko who owns and runs this site, blames all the world’s ills, including Hitler and the nazis, on Darwin, atheists, and material evolutionists.<br /><br />To see the truth about Hitler and the nazis, see these:<br /><br />http://coelsblog.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/nazi-racial-ideology-was-religious-creationist-and-opposed-to-darwinism/ (And another link but I can't remember which one)<br /><br />gordon elliott mullings is a LYING, arrogant, bloviating, sanctimonious, ignorant, uneducated, abusive, delusional god zombie.<br /><br />See this site for a lot more about gordon elliott mullings:<br /><br />http://theidiotsofintelligentdesign.blogspot.com/<br /><br />--------------------------<br /><br />In his tirade, gordon Xed out his name, a couple of links, and a link to my site. I thought that you and the others here would like to know what I said in my comments that gordon got so worked up about. I figured that the coelsblog article about the nazis would make his blood boil. You've probably noticed that gordon is nowhere to be seen in the comments on that article. He obviously doesn't have a good argument against the article and doesn't want to be shown for the history distorting fool that he is in front of the author of it and the other people who have commented on it.The whole truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219999357041824471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-40677791311590290092012-01-13T15:25:30.934-05:002012-01-13T15:25:30.934-05:00Hi Allan, from the very first time I got involved ...Hi Allan, from the very first time I got involved in the ID versus evolution debate I thought about the various ways in which I or anyone else could (or should) respond to the ID pushers. Before I ever said a word to anyone I read a lot of the stuff said by both 'sides'. I saw a lot of people on the evolution 'side' trying very hard to be nice (or at least tolerant), and trying to patiently educate the ID pushers about evolution and other aspects of science. I still see that, although many on the evolution 'side' have run out of patience and are throwing back what has been thrown at them for a very long time. <br /><br />From what I've seen, the most vicious, malicious, insidious, dishonest, unwarranted attacks are perpetrated by the ID pushers, and gordon e mullings (kairosfocus) is one of the most despicable and hypocritical of the bunch. <br /><br />It's clear to me that the IDiots are only interested in one thing; dominating the world with their religious and political agenda. Many religious people are content with getting along, and keeping their beliefs to themselves or at least in their church. Many also have no problem with science conducting itself as it sees fit. The IDiots, on the other hand, want to modify or replace science with their religious beliefs and either sneak or force their crazy beliefs into public schools and public policy. They are card carrying members of the religious lunatic fringe and are as unreasonable and unreachable as anyone with any other maniacal agenda. <br /><br />I realize that my approach may not be acceptable to everyone who supports science but I think that there's a place for it in the 'war' that IDiots are waging against science and reason. As you said, my approach is oxygen to some or all IDiots but I haven't seen any indication that any other approach has any positive effect on them. For instance, Elizabeth Liddle and many others have tried to patiently educate the IDiots over at UD and on many other sites but what they get in return is ridicule, insults, dictatorial sermons, lies, false accusations, blocking of comments, banning, endless demonizing tirades against anyone who questions or opposes the IDiots' beliefs and agenda, and incredibly stubborn refusal to accept reality, and responsibility for their own deplorable behavior. <br /><br />As Steve pointed out, there are uncommitted people out there who are reading a variety of approaches to the IDiots, and mine may get some of the uncommitted to see just how screwed up the IDiots are, and especially how screwed up the most prominent, outspoken, and obnoxious IDiots are. Besides, it feels good to throw their poo back at them. :)<br /><br />Maybe a variety of approaches will have a positive effect on some of the uncommitted. One can hope. <br /><br />And yes, the only "vandalism" I did was post some comments on a site that gordon e mullings (kairosfocus) operates. Anything said against him is a "threat", "stalking", "slander", and "vandalism" to him. He's a malignantly narcissistic, cowardly tyrant, and I have never encountered anyone who is more guilty of the things he accuses others of. The guy is a menace to society. I hate to think of what the world would be like if he were in charge.The whole truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219999357041824471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-39497262372005441792012-01-13T15:17:29.199-05:002012-01-13T15:17:29.199-05:00I doubt if any form of engagement will change the ...<i>I doubt if any form of engagement will change the minds of the IDiots but there is a large audience of the uncommitted out there.</i><br /><br />I would love to meet just one! I used to do a lot of posting at talk.origins, but had to stop as I was finding myself sucked into a vortex. Same at UD. The problem is that the people one actually deals with are simply not interested in the science, or having their misunderstandings cleared up. Not getting it is good for the immortal soul, and if they can persuade you to not get it too, so much the better. <br /><br />Engagement is an exercise at best - one's own conceptions/misconceptions could probably do with a prod from time to time, and writing can be fun - but there is one big gulf somewhere between my powers of exposition and theirs of comprehension.Allan Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-46579932273558007342012-01-13T14:15:21.637-05:002012-01-13T14:15:21.637-05:00It's not that simple. Mendelian geneticists w...It's not that simple. Mendelian geneticists were purged from universities and institutes and persecuted. Lysenkoists were in control. But the official ideology continued to agree with Marx and Engels who had endorsed Darwin. David Joravsky notes in his book<br /><br /><i><br />That became the conventional wisdom of the Marxist movement, and millions of Soviet school children are still learning to repeat a simple form of it: Darwinism is the science of biological evolution, Marxism of social. <br /></i><br /><br />Lysenko and his followers were moving towards ousting natural selection from the schools, but they never got there. By the way, calling Lysenko's muddled and mystical views "Lamarckian" is giving him way too much credit.Joe Felsensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06359126552631140000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-8923710397090566182012-01-13T08:28:20.877-05:002012-01-13T08:28:20.877-05:00I had wondered why Gordon Elliott Mullings of Mont...I had wondered why Gordon Elliott Mullings of Montserrat (kairosfocus) went into such a hissy fit over what looked like a comment being posted on his moderated blog.<br /><br />Although it was hard to tell from his stream of consciousness rambling on his blog and UD what had actually happened.<br /><br />I'd say keep calling it like you see it on your blog, I doubt if any form of engagement will change the minds of the IDiots but there is a large audience of the uncommitted out there.steve oberskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-47683187059312123652012-01-13T05:28:24.079-05:002012-01-13T05:28:24.079-05:00I'm the one who posted the comments
Ah, that ...<i>I'm the one who posted the comments</i><br /><br />Ah, that clear that up. It was presented as 'vandalism' - I read that as some kind of hack. <br /><br />Unfortunately - tell me to sod off if you wish - but 'angry evolutionist' is oxygen to these guys. Not that (largely) polite engagement has got me anywhere.Allan Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-33322834124015476982012-01-12T22:53:03.118-05:002012-01-12T22:53:03.118-05:00It is my information that the official line of the...It is my information that the official line of the party was that the concept of natural selection was not compatible with the official doctrine of dialectical materialism and the Lamarkian theory proposed by Lysenko was compatible because it implied that the improvements made by the efforts of each generation could be achieved via the efforts of that generation could be passed on to the descendents. It is a proven fact that a number of geneticists who argued for generation to generation change via random mutations and fitness selection were sent to the gulag (in particular, a man named Vavilov who died in prison in 1943).SLCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-79016008295275513392012-01-12T19:39:38.963-05:002012-01-12T19:39:38.963-05:00LOL!
Onlookers: I always enjoy a quality pwning....LOL! <br /><br />Onlookers: I always enjoy a quality pwning. <br /><br />This is especially sweet as I know that ol' lying, overreacting, hypocritical Gordy will have no resort but to run away and post an unreadable, comments closed rebuttal on one of his IDiot blogs.<br /><br />BDW of the INTERNETZBrentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-45649961602312606472012-01-12T16:05:37.821-05:002012-01-12T16:05:37.821-05:00The convoluted and long writing has the purpose of...The convoluted and long writing has the purpose of appearing to be an expert of sorts. The more he writes the more the imbecilic public he addresses will think that he is very smart. It's part of his propaganda technique.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-34829137535422449232012-01-12T15:42:51.734-05:002012-01-12T15:42:51.734-05:00SLC said: As for Stalin and the Communist governm...SLC said: <i>As for Stalin and the Communist government of the former Soviet Union, the concept of natural selection was specifically rejected by the authorities there, vis Lysenkoism. Geneticists who accepted natural selection were sent to the Gulag.</i><br /><br />This is a bit of an urban myth. Mendelian genetics was suppressed and Lysenko's quack views exalted. But officially the state endorsed evolution and natural selection. Common descent was taught in the schools as the official view, and pride was taken in new fossils found by Soviet paleontologists, for example. In that respect Soviet education was similar to what would be found in other European school systems of the time. Of course with Mendelian genetics banned, the Modern Synthesis could not be taught.<br /><br />Lysenko's views moved towards rejecting natural selection, but this view never made it into the schools by the time Lysenko fell from grace. The problem (for Lysenko and co.) was that Marx and Engels had specifically endorsed Darwin. Readers wanting to know more should look at David Joravsky's brilliant and scathing 1970 book "The Lysenko Affair".Joe Felsensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06359126552631140000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-80645445724048783512012-01-12T14:33:57.268-05:002012-01-12T14:33:57.268-05:00I'm the one who posted the comments gordon ell...I'm the one who posted the comments gordon elliott mullings of Montserrat (kairosfocus) referred to, but I didn't use any Xs. I make absolutely NO apologies for anything I said on that site, my site, or any other site about gordon elliott mullings or any other IDiot. <br /><br />What I said on that site or anywhere else about gordon elliott mullings is the truth. He is a willfully dishonest, two-faced, cowardly, malignantly narcissistic lunatic with a massive god complex. <br /><br />He has been falsely accusing me of threatening him and his family "Mafioso style" for several months even though I made NO threats. I have repeatedly asked for and even demanded evidence of my alleged threats and he has never responded or shown any evidence whatsoever, because there is none. He made up the whole thing, just like he makes up all of his false accusations and other deranged blather. He has also falsely accused others of threatening him and his family even though he has never shown any evidence to back it up. He even considers it a threat when anyone uses his real name, even though he has posted his name and location at many places on the internet, including some of his own sites. <br />How else would anyone know his real name and location? <br /><br />He, like other IDiots, loves to play the censored, persecuted victim card. He obviously sees himself as a clone of jesus; persecuted, threatened, stifled, molested, crucified, risen, and THE messiah. He preaches his insane bloviations and expects everyone to come running to worship him, and he will not tolerate ANY disagreement or disobedience with him or his dictatorial, Dominionist agenda. <br /><br />gordon elliott mullings of Montserrat is a willful, blatant, LIAR and a long list of other despicable things. His LIES, quote mining, false accusations, distortions of history, distortions of reality, cowardice, maniacal agenda, and constant attacks on "evolutionary materialists" and others are a profound example of his extreme mental derangement. If anyone is like Hitler, it's him.The whole truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219999357041824471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-38253740476604373962012-01-12T13:42:22.069-05:002012-01-12T13:42:22.069-05:00I quite like some of his turns of phrase. But ... ...I quite like some of his turns of phrase. But ... I do start to become aware of my life passing by as I read on. And on. And ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com