tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post18289722059926385..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Peter Hess of NCSE Tells Us About How to Make Evolution Compatible with ChristianityLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-22302968927252789752013-10-24T12:28:31.945-04:002013-10-24T12:28:31.945-04:00LOL! I hadn't initially bothered to look at t...LOL! I hadn't initially bothered to look at the links that Andre Gross says demonstrate that "DNA coils itself around the zygote like a ball of yarn." Not surprisingly, they don't say anything remotely like that. Try taking off the God-goggles before surfing the internet, Andre.Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-68164594425932959722013-10-24T12:26:52.536-04:002013-10-24T12:26:52.536-04:00Andre, there is nothing "magical" in a s...Andre, there is nothing "magical" in a supernatural sense about life, life is materialistic physics and chemistry all the way. Mind and consciousness require physical brains, life requires physical bodies. We are complex objects that consume and utilize energy.<br /><br />Andre, you appear to be arguing from personal incredulity and that is a very weak form of argument.Explicit Atheisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05501109533475045969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-5773826772612269762013-10-24T11:57:08.035-04:002013-10-24T11:57:08.035-04:00Andre makes claims about science in the bible then...Andre makes claims about science in the bible then he does not pay the slightest attention to the many answers that show him to be interpreting biblical passages to his own linking while ignoring the "problematic" parts. I already told him about that curtain and tent, but he ignored that. Both me and Piotr told him about the proper word for ball and sphere, etc. He does not care. He will just jump to the next claim. But read our answers? He does not give a damn. I bet he will repeat the spherical Earth claim elsewhere unaware that we already showed his understanding to be lacking. Andre is a self-deluding fool. Nothing else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-27025491172942733972013-10-24T06:35:58.161-04:002013-10-24T06:35:58.161-04:00Here's some more fascinating science from the ...Here's some more fascinating science from the Bible, Andre:<br /><br />Isaiah 40:22: <i>It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:</i><br /><br />The heavens, all the stars and other extraterrestrial bodies we observe, are actually imprinted on a thin layer of material that is stretched out just above the earth! Wow, imagine that! Astronomers <i>still</i> haven't realized that! Just wait till they do! Boy, will the atheists have egg on their faces then, huh, Andre?<br /> Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-30970737125513476472013-10-24T06:28:00.491-04:002013-10-24T06:28:00.491-04:00Wow the DNA coils itself around the zygote like a ...<i>Wow the DNA coils itself around the zygote like a ball of yarn before it starts the knitting process!</i><br /><br />Pure undiluted idiocy. DNA doesn't coil itself around the zygote like a ball of yarn.Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-69179367440210580752013-10-24T06:22:24.021-04:002013-10-24T06:22:24.021-04:00Andre Gross sez;
OK I'll bite. Did chance and...<b>Andre Gross</b> sez;<br /><br /><i>OK I'll bite. Did chance and time do it? I don't think its ever been observed scientifically that matter can arrange itself to work towards some goal or function without an actual cause.</i><br /><br />Who says it happened without a "cause"? And, not that I'm saying that "chance and time" alone offers an explanation, but even so those would still qualify as "causes". The term "cause"does not only refer to invisible immaterial spooks, in case you weren't aware.Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-39484261262589851532013-10-24T05:54:00.447-04:002013-10-24T05:54:00.447-04:00Andre, the irony of reading you repeatedly use the...Andre, the irony of reading you repeatedly use the term "magic" is staggering. <br /><br /><b>YOU'RE</b> the one who believes in magic. <b>YOU'RE</b> the one who believes a <b>magic</b> man <b>magically</b> created life instananeously out of nothing. <br /><br />*ALLAKHAZAM* and then it just poofed into existence, a complete working cell, fully formed. Wait, the madness doesn't stop there, because you reject all of evolution, you believe every single species that ever lived was <b>magically</b> created in the exact same way. <b>BY MAGIC</b>. <br /><br />Please demonstrate actual real magic, Andre, just once. One single time. Mikkel Rumraket Rasmussenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07670550711237457368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-55634862647244720572013-10-24T04:10:35.631-04:002013-10-24T04:10:35.631-04:00Here is more detail on the process.
Fascinating s...Here is more detail on the process.<br /><br />Fascinating stuff!<br /><br />http://www.embryology.ch/anglais/dbefruchtung/zygote03.htmlAndrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04425470233321200020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-14374078505035723732013-10-24T03:56:35.936-04:002013-10-24T03:56:35.936-04:00Limited knowledge indeed but when the authors of t...Limited knowledge indeed but when the authors of the Bible do speak they make remarkable claims let me give you an example that is a real standout for me.<br /><br />Psalm 139:13 "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb."<br /><br />What does science say about the verse above?<br /><br />http://www.agctsequencing.com/Articles/Epigenetics.pdf<br /><br />Wow the DNA coils itself around the zygote like a ball of yarn before it starts the knitting process!<br /><br />Man that's not bad for a bunch of bronze age goat herders!<br />Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04425470233321200020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-82599820452016418552013-10-24T02:58:42.657-04:002013-10-24T02:58:42.657-04:00If we dispense with the pejorative connotations as...<i>If we dispense with the pejorative connotations associated with the word ignorant, isn't that precisely what the authors of the Bible were ?</i><br /><br /><i>Ignorant</i> has a relative meaning: basically, knowing less than your contemporaries, or less than could be expected, given your education. For example, Archimedes did not know about particle physics; does it make him ignorant? If <i>ignorant</i> meant simply 'lacking some important knowledge' -- well, we would all be terribly ignorant. We have no idea what makes up 95.1% of the mass/energy of the Universe, to begin with (not to mention less general questions). The biblical authors' knowledge was extremely limited by modern standards (or even by the standards of classical Greek philosophers), but calling them ignorant would not be quite fair. They were part of the intellectual elite of their time and place.Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-29754452611375658282013-10-24T02:52:28.574-04:002013-10-24T02:52:28.574-04:00Piotr
Boring for you maybe, certainly not for me ...Piotr<br /><br />Boring for you maybe, certainly not for me trying to understand how it works is fundamental, just accepting chance didit is no different that the god of the gaps fallacy. Bit I digress, whats really an issue is the blatant lies about what something says or does not say. I think as a human truth should trump everything, even if we don't like the truth. Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04425470233321200020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-58131178996023989692013-10-24T02:44:57.696-04:002013-10-24T02:44:57.696-04:00Andre, Andy, please stop boring everybody with per...Andre, Andy, please stop boring everybody with perennial fundamentalist canards.Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-68971472294960384782013-10-24T02:39:25.772-04:002013-10-24T02:39:25.772-04:00Luitesuite....
"Actually denotes is a partic...Luitesuite....<br /><br />"Actually denotes is a particular quality that matter achieves under certain sets of conditions and arrangements"<br /><br />OK I'll bite. Did chance and time do it? I don't think its ever been observed scientifically that matter can arrange itself to work towards some goal or function without an actual cause. <br /><br />Man you have more faith than me!<br /><br />Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04425470233321200020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-86924207754332352502013-10-24T02:35:08.687-04:002013-10-24T02:35:08.687-04:00I'm reading babble what are you folks trying t...I'm reading babble what are you folks trying to say? Matter can magically come alive? If not how then? Please give us your theory!Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04425470233321200020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-64558916119888565012013-10-24T02:33:22.299-04:002013-10-24T02:33:22.299-04:00Keith
Please show me the verses that state the su...Keith<br /><br />Please show me the verses that state the sun orbits the earth? If you're talking about sunset and sun rise, don't we also use these descriptions? What the bible does claim is that the earth is the center of creation. Until we find life elsewhere this statement holds true about the uniqueness of life on this pale blue dot in this massive universe.Andrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04425470233321200020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-19427997887779398272013-10-24T00:06:27.014-04:002013-10-24T00:06:27.014-04:00@Andy - what "discussion" ?@Andy - what "discussion" ?<br /><br />steve oberskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067724166134333068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-17012280345587271902013-10-23T23:53:57.801-04:002013-10-23T23:53:57.801-04:00Piotr, so the discussion has gone from claiming th...Piotr, so the discussion has gone from claiming that the Bible is asserting that the earth is flat to discussing if dūr דור or חוג—chuwg is the better word for sphere in Biblical Hebrew. I think I leave it at that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03503746944125068931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-88150650919560620912013-10-23T22:01:28.396-04:002013-10-23T22:01:28.396-04:00@Keith Elias
There is a good possibility that And...@Keith Elias<br /><br />There is a good possibility that Andre subscribes to geocentrism.<br />steve oberskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067724166134333068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-72314888430478613122013-10-23T21:58:08.593-04:002013-10-23T21:58:08.593-04:00@Piotr Not because they were ignorant but because ...@Piotr <i>Not because they were ignorant but because at the time they composed their myths they had no chance to know otherwise.</i><br /><br />If we dispense with the pejorative connotations associated with the word ignorant, isn't that precisely what the authors of the Bible were ?<br /><br />Unless one wants to entertain the possibility that they were knowingly making shit up, which I also don't rule out.<br /><br />steve oberskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067724166134333068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-92091492552662405252013-10-23T21:55:51.833-04:002013-10-23T21:55:51.833-04:00Andre Gross: You said John is wrong to claim the ...Andre Gross: You said John is wrong to claim the bible says the earth is flat, but did not contradict his assertion that the bible says the sun orbits a fixed earth. So you are aware that the bible clearly says that the sun orbits the earth?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09434496437597399894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-49599204358231906422013-10-23T19:56:40.972-04:002013-10-23T19:56:40.972-04:00Mikkel: The bible was written in greek.
Some part...Mikkel: <i>The bible was written in greek.</i><br /><br />Some parts of the Old Testament were written in Greek rather than translated, but most of it (including the Torah) was originally composed in Hebrew (or Aramaic, in some cases) and translated into Hellenistic Greek in the last centuries BCE.<br />Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-92156141732572218672013-10-23T19:46:53.540-04:002013-10-23T19:46:53.540-04:00This is a pretty smart guy telling the truth, you ...<i>This is a pretty smart guy telling the truth, you should try it too!</i><br /><br />The "pretty smart guy" is fighting straw men. We all know what ancient Greeks and Romans knew, and we know that many educated people throughout the Middle Ages had that knowledge as well (not from the Bible, though, but more or less directly from the Greeks). Your smart guy doesn't mention the Bible at all, and with good reason: the authors of the Bible thought the earth was flat. Not because they were ignorant but because at the time they composed their myths they had no chance to know otherwise.Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-42537898698224541802013-10-23T19:31:23.637-04:002013-10-23T19:31:23.637-04:00The Biblical Hebrew word for “circle” (חוג—chuwg) ...<b>The Biblical Hebrew word for “circle” (חוג—chuwg) can also mean “round” or “sphere.”</b><br />The bible was written in greek. Mikkel Rumraket Rasmussenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07670550711237457368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-34349403924048097702013-10-23T19:09:25.362-04:002013-10-23T19:09:25.362-04:00Andy Wilberforce: Yes, Biblical Hebrew does have a...Andy Wilberforce: Yes, Biblical Hebrew does have a more precise word for 'sphere, ball': it's <i>dūr</i> (דור). <i>ḥūḡ</i> ("chuwg") means 'circle, circuit, compass', it's a deverbal noun, derived from a primary verb root meaning 'draw round, make a circle'.Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-89948667537703264682013-10-23T18:45:30.099-04:002013-10-23T18:45:30.099-04:00Andre, you are always using words like "magic...<i>Andre, you are always using words like "magic" when talking about biological phenomena. Stop it. You are the one who believes in magic, not scientists.</i><br /><br />It's called a cruel irony.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com