tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post1177336749409886480..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Science Education at Eschaton 2012Larry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-75365242193001775662013-02-04T00:10:52.199-05:002013-02-04T00:10:52.199-05:00I am a graduating senior at a university and my of...I am a graduating senior at a university and my official degree will be "Secondary Science Education with and Earth/Space Concentration." I will be certified to teach in Illinois and can transfer the certification fairly easily. The thing is, over the last year or so I have really come to resent our educational system. I don't know what I'm going to do yet, but I was wondering if anyone knew of other options for this type of degree. I'm not exactly from money, I'm 20,000 in debt and it's a little late to switch majors. Any helpful comments would be appreciated<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://ultrasoundtechnicianpro.com/" rel="nofollow">4d ultrasound</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16540608218102945861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-52319424766827805392012-12-09T17:20:58.350-05:002012-12-09T17:20:58.350-05:00When someone starts typing in capital letters, I m...When someone starts typing in capital letters, I may have touched a sensitive point or hit a bullseye.<br />Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-63248403072994842472012-12-08T17:27:32.925-05:002012-12-08T17:27:32.925-05:00Pépé: Logic, no matter how unassailable, does not ...Pépé: Logic, no matter how unassailable, does not generate any knowledge by itself.<br /><br />Bullshit IN → [UNASSAILABLE LOGIC] → Bullshit OUT<br /><br />Euclidean geometry, by the way, is absolutely fine as an abstract system, but it doesn't work in the real Universe.Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-77723076903141953382012-12-08T12:23:19.133-05:002012-12-08T12:23:19.133-05:00The unravelling of the Aquinas proof:
5.Therefore...The unravelling of the Aquinas proof:<br /><br />5.Therefore nothing can move itself. <br /><br />6.Therefore each thing in motion is moved by something else. <br /><br />7.The sequence of motion cannot extend ad infinitum. <br /><br />Shawnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-20008412180747742342012-12-08T11:00:33.395-05:002012-12-08T11:00:33.395-05:00Aquinas proofs are clear as day and his logic unas...Aquinas proofs are clear as day and his logic unassailable. Saying that Aquinas is wrong is akin to saying Euclidean geometry is wrong.<br /><br /><br />Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-35678789459557926472012-12-08T09:06:12.073-05:002012-12-08T09:06:12.073-05:00Eugenie Scott prefers a more restricted definition...<i>Eugenie Scott prefers a more restricted definition of science, one that refers to the activities of biologists, chemists, physicists, and geologists. Eugenie thinks there are other ways of knowing and she supports the idea that the actions of scientists are constrained by the rule of methodological naturalism.</i><br /><br />Yes, there are other ways of knowing things. Trouble is, how reliable are these "other ways". Depends how lucky you are at guessing. In other words, not reliable at all. Voicing the opinion that there are other ways of knowing implies an equivalency with scientific means of knowing things. I presume Scott knows this is not the case but this obfuscation appeals of course to the greatest mass of people who are steeped in superstition and religiosity whether it be new-age nonsense or traditional theology. Shawnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-88974177687085919062012-12-08T09:02:53.095-05:002012-12-08T09:02:53.095-05:00Science is the only method we have of increasing o...Science is the only method we have of increasing our understanding of the universe and the universe is manifestly uninterested in our well-being.<br /><br />But to the extent we can increase our understanding of the universe we increase our ability to control and improve our own lives.<br /><br /><br />steve oberskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-91738489014355042012012-12-08T08:54:32.449-05:002012-12-08T08:54:32.449-05:00Pépé the creotard troll,
You proposed Aquinas'...Pépé the creotard troll,<br /><br />You proposed Aquinas's "proofs" as a way of knowing, the onus is on you to demonstrate how they generate knowledge.<br />steve oberskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-35761065068709187262012-12-08T08:28:14.886-05:002012-12-08T08:28:14.886-05:00I dare you to show me where Aquinas is wrong
He&#...<i>I dare you to show me where Aquinas is wrong</i><br /><br />He's wrong literally everywhere. You can't learn anything useful about the world if you just sit back in your armchair and play with syllogisms. In this way you can only build elaborate tautologies logically equivalent to your explicit or tacit assumptions.Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-75885481030550426632012-12-08T07:31:22.938-05:002012-12-08T07:31:22.938-05:00steve, I repeat: Countering an argument with sland...steve, I repeat: <i>Countering an argument with slander is easy, doing it with the same logical rigueur as Aquinas is quite another matter!</i><br /><br />I dare you to show me where Aquinas is wrong but, considering your immature style of comments, I won't be holding my breath!<br />Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-59395755469649719742012-12-07T21:12:55.505-05:002012-12-07T21:12:55.505-05:00Only people can be slandered.
It's Aquinas...Only people can be slandered.<br /><br />It's Aquinas's ideas that are being critiqued.<br /><br />And very bad ideas they are.<br /><br />Now if I were to call you cretinous, moronic, half-witted, micro-cephalic god-bot that would be slander.<br /><br />Well, it would be if it weren't true.<br />steve oberskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-46744384713472648722012-12-07T19:17:40.382-05:002012-12-07T19:17:40.382-05:00LM writes,
"I said that using advances in mo...LM writes,<br /><br />"I said that using advances in modern technologies as a way to get students interested in science is counter-productive because it plays right into one of the major misconception in the public mind; namely, that science is only relevant when it can be used to improve our lives in some way."<br /><br />and then follows in the next paragraph with, <br />"We need to be teaching every student ways to figure out why it's important to vaccinate your children, why trickle-down economics may be bad, why universal health care isn't evil, and why global warming is real."<br /><br />Since all of those things mentioned in the second paragraph have in common the potential to 'improve our lives in some way', I would like to ask Larry to further clarify his definition of 'science for its own sake'.andyboergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11159573123843322700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-51215622732865845572012-12-07T19:15:26.482-05:002012-12-07T19:15:26.482-05:00Maybe it's just me, but Larry look bored!Maybe it's just me, but Larry look bored!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-66038474626480088232012-12-07T19:14:17.101-05:002012-12-07T19:14:17.101-05:00Countering an argument with slander is easy, doing...Countering an argument with slander is easy, doing it with the same logical rigueur as Aquinas is quite another matter!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-47778861247734524212012-12-07T18:42:38.344-05:002012-12-07T18:42:38.344-05:00PZ tried to take a middle ground but ended up plea...<i>PZ tried to take a middle ground but ended up pleasing no one.</i><br /><br />At last the shoe is on the other foot! Ha!John S. Wilkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04417266986565803683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-87799951006767016002012-12-07T17:58:36.815-05:002012-12-07T17:58:36.815-05:00Rofl. What a horrible load of bollocks. Rofl. What a horrible load of bollocks. Mikkel Rumraket Rasmussenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07670550711237457368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-70756627627100896832012-12-07T17:54:03.504-05:002012-12-07T17:54:03.504-05:00Eugenie thinks there are other ways of knowing...
...<i>Eugenie thinks there are other ways of knowing...</i><br /><br />She should consider <a href="http://web.mnstate.edu/gracyk/courses/web%20publishing/aquinasfiveways_argumentanalysis.htm" rel="nofollow">Aquinas Five Ways</a>!Pépéhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00896283600100217146noreply@blogger.com