tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post8414575212665987415..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Is It Time for All Religions to Accept Evolution?Larry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-40625541268942144062013-01-16T20:17:34.851-05:002013-01-16T20:17:34.851-05:00I'm not the guy who obsessively thinks about y...I'm not the guy who obsessively thinks about you, eg, while listening to the radio, or who ponders on, eg, the precise nature of our turds. The fact is this, your entire contribution to any discussion is to make snide remarks about stuff you don't understand to people who know more tan you. Move on.Luther Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387473859274935699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-31365013474799047732013-01-16T14:42:28.267-05:002013-01-16T14:42:28.267-05:00Luther, I find it interesting, in the sense of obs...Luther, I find it interesting, in the sense of observing an ongoing train wreck from a safe distance, that your insults careen from the homophobic to the misogynistic with a steady scatological back beat leavened by a simmering paranoia.<br /><br />An online forum may not be the best venue for dealing with your issues, you may want to address them in the relative privacy of a therapists office.<br />steve oberskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067724166134333068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-6760095249639928212013-01-16T13:11:29.622-05:002013-01-16T13:11:29.622-05:00I was just explaining, using your sausage example,...I was just explaining, using your sausage example, why you are talking shite. The background, the context, and the specifics all made it clear what was being said. You just happened to misunderstand in your haste to disagree/find fault. Luther Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387473859274935699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-27132198384933966352013-01-16T12:55:31.450-05:002013-01-16T12:55:31.450-05:00Nonetheless, your point was not clear. So like all...Nonetheless, your point was not clear. So like all the truly great communicators, you indulge a swipe at the reader, with a side-order of lengthy self-justification.<br /><br />I think you may be making a little too much of the sausage thing. AllanMillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05955231828424156641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-35928029261837536322013-01-16T12:52:18.902-05:002013-01-16T12:52:18.902-05:00Go find out what you're talking about.Go find out what you're talking about.Luther Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387473859274935699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-18515304198763271612013-01-16T12:43:52.208-05:002013-01-16T12:43:52.208-05:00I don't see a connection between science and t...I don't see a connection between science and theology. The point I originally made - the one you decided to comment on for some reason - was precisely about whether atheists like Larry were willing to give up the unconnected theological stuff they keep pinning on to evolution. That was the context of the discussion and in that context the point was clear as day. Had the context been sausages, and had huge numbers of people been making anti-religious claims based on sausages (eg, had the world's foremost sausage eater (call him Dokkins) incessantly banged on about bangers and their connection to religion), and had my post been about the lack of connection between religion and sausages, then a sausage point wouldn't have been ambiguous. Thus your sausage example is wrong for three reasons: there is no wider religio-sausage issue to begin with; the discussion had no immediate sausage context; and if there was such an issue and such an immediate context then a sausage point would have been clear.Luther Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387473859274935699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-23492108289080883032013-01-16T11:54:51.650-05:002013-01-16T11:54:51.650-05:00Everything that was being said was about the claim...<i>Everything that was being said was about the claimed/implied connection between science and theology. Couldn't really be clearer.</i><br /><br />Yes, it could. You see a connection between science and theology. Since I do not, "unconnected" read like a qualifier of my views, rather than something one would feel the need to insert between 'science' and 'philosophy/theology'. <br /><br />Consider it thus: <i>"If you don't need to enlist the help of sausages to prop up your unconnected political views ..."</i>. It is at the least ambiguous to this reader as to whether 'unconnected' pointlessly emphasises that sausages have nothing to do with politics, or is a qualifier of the views themselves. <br /><br />But like I said: "now I get it". Which concession you immediately followed by some snark about my comprehension. <br /><br />Still, I'm more than happy if Luther feels embiggened by the exchange. AllanMillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05955231828424156641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-4690005225092988102013-01-16T11:33:36.708-05:002013-01-16T11:33:36.708-05:00You're not very good at this. are you?<i>You're not very good at this. are you?</i>steve oberskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067724166134333068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-47715550917947276512013-01-16T11:22:30.090-05:002013-01-16T11:22:30.090-05:00Human blood and flesh eh, stick, end, wrong.Human blood and flesh eh, stick, end, wrong.Luther Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387473859274935699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-10061671918647309502013-01-16T11:21:22.623-05:002013-01-16T11:21:22.623-05:00And yet another post solely about me - you need to...And yet another post solely about me - you need to let go of this obsession.Luther Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387473859274935699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-59649314619136428462013-01-16T10:42:40.779-05:002013-01-16T10:42:40.779-05:00Luther, next time you're talking to your invis...Luther, next time you're talking to your invisible friend tell him I'd like a large amount of money deposited in an offshore account.<br /><br />Given your friend's predilection for human blood and flesh I don't know that I would consider him to be a reliable source of diet advice.<br />steve oberskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067724166134333068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-59580253116494537972013-01-16T10:38:15.057-05:002013-01-16T10:38:15.057-05:00It's a relief that Luther has abandoned any pr...It's a relief that Luther has abandoned any pretence of a concern for critical thinking and unconnected philosophical/theological views and is concentrating on what he does best, bitter and angry diatribes devoid of any actual content.<br />steve oberskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14067724166134333068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-22595494014534856192013-01-16T08:51:06.300-05:002013-01-16T08:51:06.300-05:00You're the one getting pissy about it. Look at...You're the one getting pissy about it. Look at your posts, pissy as pissy things. Every one of them. Like a little child. And then when the fact comes out that you didn't actually read, or didn't understand, what you were responding to, it's my fault for not being clear enough. Everything that was being said was about the claimed/implied connection between science and theology. Couldn't really be clearer. Luther Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387473859274935699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-16943121367542062402013-01-16T08:14:44.317-05:002013-01-16T08:14:44.317-05:00Huh? You could try expressing yourself a bit more ...Huh? You could try expressing yourself a bit more clearly, chum. I read <i>"If you don't need to enlist the help of science to prop up your unconnected philosophical/theological views..."</i> as my sundry philosophical and theological views being unconnected with each other, rather than with science - 'unconnected' being in that case essentially redundant. No need to get pissy about it.AllanMillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05955231828424156641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-19856789077932409082013-01-16T07:25:57.172-05:002013-01-16T07:25:57.172-05:00Pity you moved straight to the science and bypasse...Pity you moved straight to the science and bypassed reading comprehension.Luther Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387473859274935699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-14046145551396867892013-01-16T04:12:38.201-05:002013-01-16T04:12:38.201-05:00Your theological/philosophical views on God are un...<i>Your theological/philosophical views on God are unconnected with science</i><br /><br />Ah, now I get it. Well, I decided that religion was just stories before I knew much science (age about 11), so fundamentally yes, though these things cannot be said to be entirely disconnected in my 55-year-old brain that has since learnt stuff. But that 'stuff' makes sense of nature, rather than post hoc support for absence of theology.<br /><br /><i>or were you only pretending when you said you didn't need science to confirm your disbelief. </i><br /><br />Yeah, Luther, I was pretending, because I care so deeply about giving the right impression to random strangers on the internet...AllanMillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05955231828424156641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-18585351322791105312013-01-15T21:45:14.673-05:002013-01-15T21:45:14.673-05:00You're not very good at this. are you?You're not very good at this. are you? Luther Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387473859274935699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-68648474153595550112013-01-15T21:21:13.756-05:002013-01-15T21:21:13.756-05:00Uh, I garbled one of my posts, regarding the Turki...Uh, I garbled one of my posts, regarding the Turkish textbook that said Darwin was Jewish. Here's the complete quote.<br /><br />"A series of [Turkish] books for primary schoolchildren, describing Charles Darwin as a Jew with a big nose who kept the company of monkeys and other historical figures in anti-Semitic terms, has caused outrage in Turkey amid fears of rising religious intolerance…<br /><br />[The incident] comes in the wake of wide-ranging education reforms pushed through this year by the country’s Islamist-rooted government, which have increased the number of religious schools in Turkey and introduced optional lessons on the Prophet Mohammed in ordinary state schools.<br /><br />Such changes are hailed by the government as increasing freedom of choice in a country that for decades excluded the religiously conservative majority…<br /><br />A book on Albert Einstein describes the physicist as “filthy and slovenly”. Immediately after saying that he ate soap, it adds: “The sad part is during that time the Gestapo was putting Jews into ovens and making them into soap.” [<a href="http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/f27adba8-1a01-11e2-a179-00144feabdc0.html#axzz29lno43Sm" rel="nofollow">Turkish book on Darwin sparks outrage.</a> Financial Times, Oct. 19, 2012.]<br /><br />Hence my comment:<br />Everybody knows you can’t make Jews into soap by putting them in ovens. You have to <i>boil</i> them.<br />Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-29526150193835821452013-01-15T21:15:09.620-05:002013-01-15T21:15:09.620-05:00Excuse me, it's Dr. Cunt. Second, I was talkin...Excuse me, it's Dr. Cunt. Second, I was talking to Jesus and he says he doesn't really like you. He was just being polite.Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-79130324674840750222013-01-15T20:48:07.484-05:002013-01-15T20:48:07.484-05:00Your theological/philosophical views on God are un...Your theological/philosophical views on God are unconnected with science - or were you only pretending when you said you didn't need science to confirm your disbelief. Luther Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387473859274935699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-43857388234123381442013-01-15T20:44:44.479-05:002013-01-15T20:44:44.479-05:00I think you are just making stuff up. What makes y...I think you are just making stuff up. What makes you think my philosophical/theological views are 'unconnected'? What does that even mean? <br /><br /><i>There are, however, many here who need ... </i><br /><br />Can you provide an example of anyone who fits your description? Perhaps we'll have a Marshall McLuhan moment and they can explain their position for themselves. I'll tell you why <i>I</i> like science - <i>it's interesting</i>!AllanMillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05955231828424156641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-88869286655494061222013-01-15T20:31:42.717-05:002013-01-15T20:31:42.717-05:00Firstly, it's Mr Asshole to you, cunt. Just ha...Firstly, it's Mr Asshole to you, cunt. Just had a chat with J, He said drink plenty of water, keep active all day every day, eat plenty of the fruit, veg, nuts, seeds, mushrooms, and a little of the fish and meat his Dad provided, and you almost certainly won't get cancer in the first place. And if you do, you'll almost certainly be so old as to not be all that bothered. Next!Luther Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387473859274935699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-50004120678142460962013-01-15T20:25:28.248-05:002013-01-15T20:25:28.248-05:00If you don't need to enlist the help of scienc...If you don't need to enlist the help of science to prop up your unconnected philosophical/theological views then so much the better for you. There are, however, many here who need science so badly for that purpose that they're willing to assault every part of it to try to squeeze out some anti-religious equations.Luther Flinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06387473859274935699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-68196598377782651092013-01-15T19:57:16.909-05:002013-01-15T19:57:16.909-05:00Luther Flint
Indeed, and exactly how strong is th...Luther Flint<br /><br /><i>Indeed, and exactly how strong is that argument? Consider: Hello, I have a general disbelief is God(s), care to join me.</i><br /><br />Why do you think I give a shit if anyone wants to 'join me'? I don't believe in God; atheism is that simple. I don't need science to confirm my disbelief. You find the evidence for God compelling? Well done you. AllanMillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05955231828424156641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-4190853140902337322013-01-15T19:57:07.607-05:002013-01-15T19:57:07.607-05:00Continuing, on evolution as "Jewish fable&quo...Continuing, on evolution as "Jewish fable"...<br /><br />The founder of American fundamentalism as a political movement was William Bell Riley, who telegrammed William Jennings Bryan and asked him to prosecute Scopes at the Monkey Trial, and tried to ban Darwinism in several US states. In the 1930's he became a big supporter of Hitler and a promoter of <i>The Protocols</i>.<br /><br />"By 1923, Riley in an article linked evolution to “anarchistic socialistic propaganda” and labeled those who would teach it “atheists.” (By the 1930s, Riley’s attacks became even more over-the-top, as when he warned of an <b>“international Jewish-Bolshevik-Darwinist conspiracy”</b> and congratulated Adolf Hitler on his attempts to confront such a conspiracy in Germany.)" [Douglas Linder, <a href="http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/scopes/fundamentalism.html" rel="nofollow">"Putting Evolution on the Defensive"</a>, 2005]<br /><br />Riley's biographer quotes him: "'Today in our land many of the biggest trusts, banks, and manufacturing interests are controlled by Jews; tobacco, cotton, sugar,— they handle in overwhelming proportions. Many of our journals they edit. Most of our department stores they own. They are the landlords of enormous resident properties. The motion pictures, the most vicious of all immoral, educational and communistic influences, is their creation. Fifty per cent of the meat packing, sixty per cent of the shoe making, a large proportion of men's and women's ready-made clothing... they loom in them all.' <br /><br />Worst of all, thanks to this economic power, they had managed to take over higher education in America. <b>This meant that evolution was in, and the Bible out.</b>" [William V. Trollinger, <i>God's Empire</i>, p.69-73]<br /><br />The Christian Identity movement, organized by creationist Gerald L. K. Smith (who built "The Christ of the Ozarks", the biggest Jesus statue in N. America), is super-anti-Semitic and super-creationist.<br /><br />One Christian Identity writer, Col. Jack Mohr, wrote the <i>Christian Patriot Crusader</i>, as McIver describes: 'He [Jack Mohr] argues... that the Jewish religion is evil; that Jews are truly Satanic agents seeking to undermine American Christian civilization and morals, and that <b>evolution is a “satanically inspired Jewish fable."</b><br /><br />...Another creationist at the 1989 [Institute for Historical Review, Holocaust denial] conference was Canadian high school teacher James Keegstra, who gained notoriety... when charged with denying the Holocaust. Keegstra emphatically rejects <b>the “Jewish lie” of evolution</b>. He claimed that he converted his entire school to creationism—- a remark which drew applause from the [Holocaust denying] conference audience.' [Tom McIver, “The Protocols of Creationism,” Skeptic, Vol. 2 No. 4, 1994, p.76-87]<br />Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.com