tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post7780562554409855845..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Valley girl talkLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-77689105832171834742013-12-11T18:28:11.308-05:002013-12-11T18:28:11.308-05:00Thanks, that's very interesting. I was actua...Thanks, that's very interesting. I was actually wondering what the difference between pidgin and creole was as well. rich lawlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13353965284524429553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-58260990733043034652013-12-11T08:58:23.730-05:002013-12-11T08:58:23.730-05:00A mixed dialect (retaining the normal if somewhat ...A mixed dialect (retaining the normal if somewhat reduced syntax of Valley English). A true pidgin takes the lexicon(s) of one (or more) of its source languages (normally the dominant one), simplifies it phonologically and morphologically, resets the syntax and inflectional morphology to zero and builds very simple grammatical structures from scratch, sometimes borrowing features from the local languages. As stabler and more sophisticated structures emerge, the pidgin may be adopted as the first language of a community, and it evolves into a fully-fledged "creole" language. Here is a real example (from the English-based Torres Strait Creole):<br /><br /><i>Yu go zam tumas, leg blo yu go brok</i> 'If you jump about too much, you'll break your leg'.<br /><br />All the roots here are more or less recognisably English (literally: "you go jump too-much, leg belong you go broken"), though they are often co-opted in new functions, like "belong" becoming a possessive preposition.Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-15503432644643875322013-12-11T07:52:41.401-05:002013-12-11T07:52:41.401-05:00Aww my gahd! Boont's kinda really loosing bahl...Aww my gahd! Boont's kinda really loosing bahl harpers to the max and it's like totally pikin' to the dusties, can you imagine?<br /><br /><br />...would that be a pidgin? (I'm obviously not a linguist)rich lawlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13353965284524429553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-40816252699936005912013-12-10T19:55:20.659-05:002013-12-10T19:55:20.659-05:00siorowksi:
Yeah...that's the most you can off...siorowksi:<br /><br />Yeah...that's the most you can offer instead of arguments...<br />just like you have proven it on the subject of origins of life... I still laugh out loud when each time I read any of your comments....I'm... I don't really read them anymore ...I just admire your arrogance after your public humiliation on that theme... lol... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-40750794657435615002013-12-10T18:10:12.445-05:002013-12-10T18:10:12.445-05:00Re Quest
As someone with a PhD in elementary part...Re Quest<br /><br />As someone with a PhD in elementary particle physics, my expertise in QM is pretty damn good.colnago80https://www.blogger.com/profile/02640567775340860582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-872467454606445402013-12-10T16:24:36.518-05:002013-12-10T16:24:36.518-05:00Quest: I'm mean...
If you say so...
Anyway, ...Quest: <i>I'm mean...</i><br /><br />If you say so...<br /><br />Anyway, don't underrate other people's expertise. Linguistic and psychiatric help is exactly what you need, if your posts are anything to go by.Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-10646590272477671832013-12-10T15:17:50.760-05:002013-12-10T15:17:50.760-05:00Well, there are a few hundred Boonters left, if th...Well, there are a few hundred Boonters left, if that, and there are easily a couple of hundred thousand girls in the San Fernando Valley. Boontling isn't a dialect, strictly speaking, but rather an in-group lexical register (or "cryptolect"). Perhaps some elements of Boontling could be saved if it were hybridised with some more successful variety -- Valleyspeak, perhaps? <br /><br /><i>Aww my gahd! Boont's kinda really loosing bahl harpers to the max and it's like totally pikin' to the dusties, can you imagine?</i>Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-85429619782737824042013-12-10T14:20:24.903-05:002013-12-10T14:20:24.903-05:00Go for the Boontling, stay for the beer.Go for the Boontling, stay for the beer.John Harshmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06705501480675917237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-78842102995711580252013-12-10T13:23:35.885-05:002013-12-10T13:23:35.885-05:00Maybe Louise was fully aware that your backgrounds...Maybe Louise was fully aware that your backgrounds in science are pretty weak when it comes to QM... I'm mean... you don't have to pretend that linguists and psychiatrists are taught detailed QM at universities even these days....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-41959097808691606562013-12-10T12:37:43.636-05:002013-12-10T12:37:43.636-05:00She also managed to sneak in another insult agains...She also managed to sneak in another insult against Larry's family, though I'm sure she'll deny that's what she was doing. Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-66483033067519434112013-12-10T11:29:41.298-05:002013-12-10T11:29:41.298-05:00LouiseG gave us the Kindergarten Intrerpretation o...LouiseG gave us the Kindergarten Intrerpretation of quantum mechanics:<br /><br /><i>Certain particles respond when someone looks at them.</i>Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-71380274417661643362013-12-10T11:26:08.240-05:002013-12-10T11:26:08.240-05:00I thought Louise was referring to QM Observer Effe...<i>I thought Louise was referring to QM Observer Effect...? You have never heard of it? </i><br /><br />I'm quite aware of it. Do you, like LouiseG, think it is accurately described by saying "certain particles respond when someone looks at them"? I wonder if LouiseG could summarize her understanding of quantum mechanics, since she feels she is qualified to disparage it.Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-85292079036557975482013-12-10T10:48:51.109-05:002013-12-10T10:48:51.109-05:00What is being referred to here as the observer eff...What is being referred to here as the observer effect is illustrated by the following. A photon impinging on a surface with two slits is considered to pass through both slits (Copenhagen interpretation of QM). However, if one attempts to observe this, the wave function describing the photon collapses and the photon will be seen to pass through one slit or the other. This is a consequence of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle where the act of observing a system has an effect on what is observed.<br /><br />An alternative to the collapsing wave function hypothesis, known as the many worlds interpretation of QM, has been proposed. In this explanation, it is hypothesized that there is a parallel universe to ours where an observer is preforming the same experiment at the same time and will observe the photon passing through the other slit.colnago80https://www.blogger.com/profile/02640567775340860582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-83311255531739545372013-12-10T10:28:24.282-05:002013-12-10T10:28:24.282-05:00I thought Louise was referring to QM Observer Effe...I thought Louise was referring to QM Observer Effect...? You have never heard of it? Somehow that doesn't surprise me...That's why you think Louise is stupid, when in reality, it applies to you....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-54748272721944964092013-12-08T19:31:14.819-05:002013-12-08T19:31:14.819-05:00Not many folks left in the Anderson Valley to boon...Not many folks left in the Anderson Valley to boont it.fyreflyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03567375730311004673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-4619180236392397442013-12-08T18:36:57.366-05:002013-12-08T18:36:57.366-05:00Valley Girl-speak on the rise and Boontling, anoth...Valley Girl-speak on the rise and Boontling, another California dialect, is waning. Sad.rich lawlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13353965284524429553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-29578759279125648622013-12-08T15:33:32.158-05:002013-12-08T15:33:32.158-05:00It's always interesting how people never sound...It's always interesting how people never sound stupider than when they think they're sounding smart. Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-51329230043253003692013-12-08T13:53:30.374-05:002013-12-08T13:53:30.374-05:00OK, Diogenes, but I wouldn't like to use Larry...OK, Diogenes, but I wouldn't like to use Larry's blog for such purposes. If you e-mail me (gpiotr[at]wa.amu.edu.pl), I'll tell you what I've found. Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-62883102291733976142013-12-08T13:24:38.574-05:002013-12-08T13:24:38.574-05:00Piotr, this is way off topic, but...
I was wonder...Piotr, this is way off topic, but...<br /><br />I was wondering if you as a linguist could assess the qualifications of ID proponent and alleged "linguist" John Oller. You know the IDiots exaggerate their credentials. <a href="http://lasciencecoalition.org/2011/01/16/john-oller-fesses-up/" rel="nofollow">According to Barbara Forrest, who hilariously exposes Oller's dishonesty</a>, he was an English professor at UCLA who later took to calling himself a "linguist."<br /><br />If you're not too busy, could you maybe look up his publications, if any, and see if they're in reputable journals? Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-6247798703301688992013-12-08T13:14:25.565-05:002013-12-08T13:14:25.565-05:00Allan, I'm guilty of an oversimplification. Th...Allan, I'm guilty of an oversimplification. There are various patterns of rising pitch that shouldn't be lumped together. What I should have said is that there are a number of urban accents in northern Britain (including for example Brummie, Geordie, Glaswegian, Belfast, and some varieties of Welsh English, but excluding Edinburgh and most rural dialects, see <a href="http://books.google.pl/books?hl=pl&id=wfXRzq74X2YC" rel="nofollow">Cruttenden 1997: 133-134</a>) where terminal rising tones are much more widespread than in mainstream Southern British English. The Liverpudlian ones are <i>not</i> very similar to the Valley uptalk (or Australian intonations), and don't actually sound like yes/no questions; but they do produce an impression of (unintended) non-finality or tentativeness in a Southern listener.<br /><br />The intonation contours of Scouse have received less attention than they deserve. Knowles 1974 (his PhD thesis) and 1978 are still the most important references, though some instrumental acoustic analyses have been published in the past decade. The "unexpected declarative rises" in Scouse include the "steep fall + low rise" pattern, also known as "the low bounce" (often, by the way, involving sentences with <i>like</i> at the end, as in <i>I don't use it my◝self, ◞like</i>), and the real Scouse speciality -- "rise + plateau", called "the step" by Knowles: the pitch is very low on the syllable carrying the main stress, but then it rises to a high level tone which either stays level to the end of the sentence or drops slightly on the last syllable. In my personal experience, I find it one of the most conspicuous features of Scouse intonation, though it isn't quite unique to Liverpool (it's also one of the most common patterns in Belfast, for example).Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-55885754590375577642013-12-08T08:33:03.271-05:002013-12-08T08:33:03.271-05:00it has long been a feature of Scouse (in Liverpool...<i>it has long been a feature of Scouse (in Liverpool)</i> <br /><br />Hey, I resent that! OK, I'm not particularly fond of my Liverpool accent (modulated also by years spent a bit further north), but I'm not aware that [we/they] have quite that same annoying, questioning quality that invites the listener to repeatedly indicate that they are following along! <br /><br />More typical is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOdO_8IiM3o#t=185" rel="nofollow">this</a>, where most sentences go the other way, emphatic rather than querying. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOdO_8IiM3o#t=185)AllanMillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05955231828424156641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-80161058901000853602013-12-07T21:03:55.830-05:002013-12-07T21:03:55.830-05:00That should be next day, not next say. I need new ...That should be next day, not next say. I need new glasses. The whole truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219999357041824471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-68245003894085185632013-12-07T20:48:43.520-05:002013-12-07T20:48:43.520-05:00It was a brief meeting and he was friendly. I had ...It was a brief meeting and he was friendly. I had been sitting by myself at a small table next to the dance floor and was up having a last dance with some girl, and when the song ended I turned to leave (it was about midnight and I had to work the next say) and I saw Zappa's body guard leaning against a wall near where I had been sitting. I then noticed Frank Zappa sitting at 'my' table. Just about then the rest of the people in the tavern had started to recognize him and there was what I'd call a stir and murmur throughout the place. Anyway, I walked up to him, he stood up, we shook hands, and I told him I had recognized his body guard from seeing him in the Baby Snakes movie. He asked me what I thought of the movie and I told him I liked it. Then I told him that a girl that I was dating was going to be pissed that she declined to go out with me that night. She was the one who invited me to the movie and she LOVED Frank Zappa. When I told him that she was nuts about him he instantly asked "Where is she?" That cracked me up because his tone of voice and expression was that of a typical guy who was open to an easy opportunity, if you know what I mean. There may have been a few other things said but I don't remember but I did say that I had to go and that I would tell that girl that I had met him there. We bid each other goodnight and I left, as a line of people was starting to form behind me. <br /><br />When I told that girl I was dating that I met Frank Zappa she didn't believe me at first but then word got around that he was at that tavern that night and she knew that I often went there, and I had invited her to go there with me that night. I'm sure that if she had been with me Zappa would have easily snatched her away from me. She was a very good looking redhead with a body to die for. Ah, the good ol' days. :)The whole truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219999357041824471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-35150665965057075982013-12-07T20:04:16.192-05:002013-12-07T20:04:16.192-05:00Aspects of Valspeak are becoming common in the way...Aspects of Valspeak are becoming common in the way many people speak.<br /><br />If you want a good laugh, watch an episode of "The Californians" on Saturday Night Live.<br /><br />~~ Paul<br />Paul C. Anagnostopouloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07146336984557843642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-70982065446764017292013-12-07T07:44:28.952-05:002013-12-07T07:44:28.952-05:00That's pretty cool. What was he like?That's pretty cool. What was he like?Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.com