tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post5846513093276384853..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: The Green Party (of Canada) vs ScienceLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-39148765746329619702020-06-25T13:22:29.063-04:002020-06-25T13:22:29.063-04:00Lots of science has been written on whether GMOs a...Lots of science has been written on whether GMOs are safe. The data is in - there's no evidence that eating GMOs pose any risk to humans and anyone who claims otherwise is spreading false information.<br /><br />SOME GMOs are designed to be resistant to Roundup but that's no reason to lump ALL GMOs into that category. Anyone who does so is just wrong. Besides, there's plenty of evidence that Roundup is perfectly safe as a herbicide in spite of the rhetoric of its opponents. Anyone who claims that Roundup is dangerous when used as a herbicide is being anti-science. Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-49096783186571242012020-06-24T01:44:41.839-04:002020-06-24T01:44:41.839-04:00The problem is not specifically that GMO's are...The problem is not specifically that GMO's are unsafe, (because little science has been written on the subject) but that almost all GMO's are designed to be grown with a LOT of chemicals that Monsanto and Bayer are destroying the earth with. Both of them want to continue the charade that these chemicals are safe when there is no scientific proof that they are, quite the opposite.GDookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06279370331178284433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-63893776058972178132020-06-24T00:09:46.641-04:002020-06-24T00:09:46.641-04:00Failing to use science properly (ex. cherry pickin...Failing to use science properly (ex. cherry picking) is not "anti-science". It is unscientific, but does not oppose or attempt to damage science in any way. Laurence Hudson Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14627657572180861587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-80251515475160708842013-11-21T14:24:56.626-05:002013-11-21T14:24:56.626-05:00Sorry that I don't know so much about Canadian...Sorry that I don't know so much about Canadian politics. I haven't even been there.<br />In the aftermath of the financial crises Obama was nationalizing private companies that were about to go belly up left and right, while in Sweden they were left to ride out the storm. That's one reason why I would say Obama is to the left of Reinfeldt.<br />To me as a European free public health care is not about left or right, it's about common decency.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03503746944125068931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-65505376761527867012013-11-21T13:02:07.493-05:002013-11-21T13:02:07.493-05:00Unfortunately scare tactics seem to work better th...Unfortunately scare tactics seem to work better than seriously outlining the ethical and economic dangers of allowing a few large agribusinesses to essentially privatize staple crops. That's the reason for my opposition to GMOs—at least under the capitalist system as presently constituted—but I still hate to see a good cause ruined by baseless fearmongering.Nullifidianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15207390447020990907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-292293155837508482013-11-21T02:28:21.687-05:002013-11-21T02:28:21.687-05:00I was in Stockholm almost 5 years, until the end o...I was in Stockholm almost 5 years, until the end of 2009. And the corporate considerations are what I was talking about.<br /><br /> I would liken Reinfeldt to Canada's Liberal party, which is viewed in Canada a centrist (specific leaders seem to pull it back and forth around the Canadian midpoint). And I found that while Liberal and Democrats got along better while both held government, the Democrats were more pro-corporate than the Canadian Liberals. And Obamacare aside, I find Obama to be far more in the middle of the US spectrum than on the "left". So that's my yardstick for the comparison. TheOtherJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01727633779107067250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-20161343173199589762013-11-20T16:08:58.961-05:002013-11-20T16:08:58.961-05:00Jim, I'm joking of course about Obama being a ...Jim, I'm joking of course about Obama being a socialist, but I don't agree that his politics is more conservative than the current Swedish government. I lived in the States while Obama was president (Texas) and now in Sweden. Obama is for sure far more keen on nationalizing private companies and hiking taxes than Reinfeldt is. Where in Sweden did you live?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03503746944125068931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-65002206907780485322013-11-20T15:48:49.018-05:002013-11-20T15:48:49.018-05:00@Andy, Center-right for Sweden. I lived there befo...@Andy, Center-right <i>for Sweden</i>. I lived there before and after the current government took charge. Their version of center-right would make Obama Democrats seem far, far right in comparison. TheOtherJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01727633779107067250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-84662594152141410642013-11-20T15:04:23.464-05:002013-11-20T15:04:23.464-05:00Larry, just for the record, Sweden is governed by ...Larry, just for the record, Sweden is governed by a center-right coalition and should not be grouped with the other two socialistic countries you mentioned ;-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03503746944125068931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-39918823866503015762013-11-20T14:37:17.311-05:002013-11-20T14:37:17.311-05:00The word socialist has lost it's meaning in th...The word socialist has lost it's meaning in the US. It's become a scare word, a talking point. Omg, you want free health care so people who can't afford private insurance don't die in the street? SOCIALISM. <br /><br />If that's socialism, then I'm a socialist. <br /><br />last I checked, scandinavian countries were doing pretty well with what can only seem like soviet-era marxist communism to american scaremongers. <br /><br />Hey Andy, <i>is</i> there a subject upon which your opinion isn't just ignorant, bigoted, conservative religious blather? Mikkel Rumraket Rasmussenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07670550711237457368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-42510732235166447032013-11-20T12:55:19.418-05:002013-11-20T12:55:19.418-05:00"Sure, because socialism has never failed...j..."Sure, because socialism has never failed...just look at North Korea, Soviet Union, Cuba and the other glorious examples."<br /><br />Without democracy, no political system is viable. Democracy and a strong commitment to social welfare is the recipe in Scandinavia, and it works!<br />Rolf Aalberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12878337054438652463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-57211824163487832442013-11-20T12:08:48.762-05:002013-11-20T12:08:48.762-05:00Well, we certainly know that booby Byers is no sci...Well, we certainly know that booby Byers is no scientist.colnago80https://www.blogger.com/profile/02640567775340860582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-37478149354846505962013-11-20T11:29:17.461-05:002013-11-20T11:29:17.461-05:00Larry, I agree with your point above. However, ha...Larry, I agree with your point above. However, have you actually found a Canadian or Ontario party that consistently makes decisions based on evidence? 'Cause if you have, please let me know so I can vote for them too.<br /><br />(I'm not even going to mention Toronto, for obvious reasons....)Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-77537210551707783762013-11-20T09:18:10.997-05:002013-11-20T09:18:10.997-05:00Wait a minute! I thought Obama was a socialist. Do...Wait a minute! I thought Obama was a socialist. Doesn't that make the USA a socialist country like Nnorth Korea? (or Sweden?)Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-19450197884363400162013-11-20T09:12:24.494-05:002013-11-20T09:12:24.494-05:00@v1car
The Green Party is NOT the only party in C...@v1car<br /><br />The Green Party is NOT the only party in Canada that proposes doing something about climate change. If you don't get simple facts correct then why should I pay attention to your comments?<br /><br />Also, I don't vote for a party based on a single issue like climate change. I'm interested in the overall viewpoint of the party since I know that once in office they will have to deal with new and complex issues that we haven't thought of. I want those decisions to be based on evidence and not emotion. The leader of the Green Party has demonstrated that she does not base her decisions on the best availabe scientific evidence so there's no way I'm voting for her in spite of the fact that I may agree with her on one or two other issues.<br /><br />I'm sorry to hear that you feel differently. I think you will live to regret it.Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-80914809681861030342013-11-19T20:00:35.326-05:002013-11-19T20:00:35.326-05:00AMEN. They are drawing their own conclusions and t...AMEN. They are drawing their own conclusions and then finding anybody who will back them up.<br /><br />What is a rogue scientist? Who decides when they are a rogue? <br />If being a scientist does not make one right then invoking scientists is wrong in making a case. Yet evolutionism does this to creationism.<br />To us Darwin was a rogue scientist!<br /><br />It is also interesting how secret motives are invoked by the Green party yet I see this all the time.<br />In fact secret motives are accused against YEC/ID scientists.<br />Its a lesson here that great announcements abot what science teaches are indeed rightly questioned.<br />Including scientists themselves. Whatever a scientist is.Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-84352292200776506712013-11-19T19:34:53.780-05:002013-11-19T19:34:53.780-05:00"...one which is only detectable or capable o..."...one which is only detectable or capable of being defeated via science..."<br /><br />That's the point right there, v1car. Climate change is above all else a scientific issue. So by allowing ideological preconceptions to trump scientific evidence, the Greens show themselves no better in this regard than the Harper Conservatives.<br /><br />On environmental issues, you won't find much substantial difference between the Greens and the NDP, or even the Liberals depending on who is leading them. After all, Elizabeth May in effect endorsed the Liberals when they were led by Stephane Dion. And by supporting one of those parties you have the chance of electing someone who might actually have a chance of forming the gov't, rather than wasting your vote on an ineffectual fourth party. Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-37260971257146076302013-11-19T19:03:29.627-05:002013-11-19T19:03:29.627-05:00I believe you have to look at the Liberals and NDP...I believe you have to look at the Liberals and NDP - at the provincial level in Ontario the (full disclosure: provincial level) Liberals oversaw a plan to close every coal power plant in the province. Just because they don't make it their top priority doesn't mean they don't recognize the threat.<br />GM crops could help end world hunger, and help ensure the protection of ecosystems in the future. Everything Moran says is true and you're being unreasonable. You may also notice he mentions another case of Green anti-science, in the case of homeopathy, a pseudoscience that might not only lead to misunderstanding of science but also mistrust of medical professionals and medical science - mistrust that might lead to someone dying.William Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02025125686289799066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-67860297894942895262013-11-19T18:51:00.715-05:002013-11-19T18:51:00.715-05:00Yes, because violent revolution during the middle ...Yes, because violent revolution during the middle of a war (which led to USSR which supported the creation of the other communist states mentioned) is the perfect model for how an ideology will play out when voted in by a democratic government (which would be the case if the Socialist Party got any actual support).William Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02025125686289799066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-28798770193956508952013-11-19T17:37:11.183-05:002013-11-19T17:37:11.183-05:00Seriously, Mr. Moran? The only party which is publ...Seriously, Mr. Moran? The only party which is publicly demanding that your country take real steps against climate change -- the single greatest threat to humanity which is actually going right now, and one which is only detectable or capable of being defeated via science -- and reject them completely on the basis of something as trivial as THIS? Your priorities, as demonstrated by this post, are so wrong, and this post is so intellectually dishonest, that I now suspect everything you ever wrote of being either wrong or disingenuously misrepresenting, up to and INCLUDING everything you write in defense of GM crops.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-56842212996369994192013-11-19T16:40:31.792-05:002013-11-19T16:40:31.792-05:00Comrade Carter writes: " I can always vote fo...Comrade Carter writes: " I can always vote for the Democrat, or if that fails me, I can go with the Socialists."<br /><br />Sure, because socialism has never failed...just look at North Korea, Soviet Union, Cuba and the other glorious examples.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03503746944125068931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-51824344019834001312013-11-19T15:27:08.459-05:002013-11-19T15:27:08.459-05:00Fortunately, I am an American and the Green Party ...Fortunately, I am an American and the Green Party here has always seemed pretty anti-science to me. I can always vote for the Democrat, or if that fails me, I can go with the Socialists.Comrade Carterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08028379230164632330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-31421344171896765042013-11-19T14:49:00.475-05:002013-11-19T14:49:00.475-05:00:( I have no one left to vote for now.:( I have no one left to vote for now.Brenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05549791129219102309noreply@blogger.com