tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post5803589753790268859..comments2024-03-19T00:24:23.577-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: 1001 Ideas that Changed the Way We Think - "Not-junk DNA"Larry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-25361990608042356382014-01-13T12:03:54.506-05:002014-01-13T12:03:54.506-05:00If professor Noor is not going to cover macroevolu...<i>If professor Noor is not going to cover macroevolution why should I continue with the course? Even YEC believe in microevolution and most religions I know about....</i><br /><br />Here's a wild thought: maybe you could <i>learn</i> something? Strange as it may seem, it's not obligatory to disagree with the instructor to learn something valuable from the course, and given your track record you could stand to learn something about all aspects of evolutionary theory, even the parts you claim to ostensibly believe in.Nullifidianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15207390447020990907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-40423190071758963432014-01-13T08:56:32.029-05:002014-01-13T08:56:32.029-05:00So you believe in instantaneous magical divine cre...So you believe in instantaneous magical divine creation through an act of will alone? On what basis other than blind faith? There's no evidence it's possible. <br /><br />Notice how an argument from ignorance(we don't know how..) does not logically entail your conclusion or even reasonably justifies belief in the above proposition. But of course, you don't <i>do</i> logic. Mikkel Rumraket Rasmussenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07670550711237457368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-48250151822438832932014-01-11T21:19:09.816-05:002014-01-11T21:19:09.816-05:00What else can you say? This is where science ends ...What else can you say? This is where science ends and unreasonable belief begins + <br /><br />Someone once said that if one askes why is there something rather than nothing? The answer to it is outside of science. Why should you question something that is NOW clearly outside of science scope? Newbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112647387206975751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-12273795294824310982014-01-11T20:39:14.248-05:002014-01-11T20:39:14.248-05:00I'm glad you think the idea of "creating ...I'm glad you think the idea of "creating life" is fatuous nonsense, but please don't tell creationists. <br />Mikkel Rumraket Rasmussenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07670550711237457368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-72237937464899472992014-01-11T18:44:00.368-05:002014-01-11T18:44:00.368-05:00Mikkel, If you have some brains left, answer me on...Mikkel, If you have some brains left, answer me one question straight up: If scientists like my cousin Szostak create life, will this mean that life can be generated spontaneously? Yes or No answer only. I'm going to ask you one question at a time so as not to create confusion. <br /><br />BTW: I know pretty well this Danish woman Caroline Wozniaci. She is some kind of rocket-ball player? I'm not sure but she is one pretty goodlooking kid and that German friend of hers Julia Gorgeous. I'm telling you man, those women are stunning. And what a personality and manners. I love the way Danes and Germans bring up their kids. According to stats and Larry, Danes are the happiest and the most fulfilled people in the world and yet, they are 99,99 non-religious. How do they fill the gap? How do they "feed the receptors in their brains that respond to spirituality, alcohol, drugs, food, diet coke that some drink, sex (me:) ) etc? Is it their biking that keeps them alive because it is too expensive to drive?Newbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112647387206975751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-721334263980725112014-01-11T18:23:25.065-05:002014-01-11T18:23:25.065-05:00Really Harsh man wrote: "Sigh. Mohammed Noor ...Really Harsh man wrote: "Sigh. Mohammed Noor is a fly geneticist interested in the genetics of speciation. Of course he's going to teach from that perspective. I doubt he'll even get into the origin of life, if that's what you want. He may not even get into macroevolution, except for speciation. So what's wrong with what he's tried desperately to teach you so far?"<br /><br />If professor Noor is not going to cover macroevolution why should I continue with the course? Even YEC believe in microevolution and most religions I know about maybe with and exception of JWs, but I'm not sure about that 100% as two older ladies came to my door last Saturday and they were not sure what I meant by microevolution. They came back this moring at 930. Don't they ever give up and know what time it is? What is wrong with those people? Anybody talked to them this early? I asked 2 question 3 months ago, they left me 5-6 brochures, few books, and 2 videos. Who pays for this? I hope its not my tax money. I have to admit the video about blood transfusion was interesting but I'm not sure if it is real. JWs left and Mormons came like almost immediately. Are they same church just different clothes? These want me to live on my own planet by myself. I said that I'm addicted to sex and not the self-fulfilling one and they left with anger lol. Newbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112647387206975751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-60986854497403190282014-01-10T14:13:15.385-05:002014-01-10T14:13:15.385-05:00Why don't you try to "create life" Y...Why don't you try to "create life" YOURSELF by the vents you have been bragging about? Be careful though! Last time one scientist tried that he not only didn't create any life, he turned himself into a lifeless barbecue chicken. You your case it would only be a burned danish LMAO!!! Newbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112647387206975751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-4894605927536473822014-01-09T17:10:26.643-05:002014-01-09T17:10:26.643-05:00Good news for you LouiseG, a previous course on as...Good news for you LouiseG, a previous course on astrobiology and the origin of life has just restarted this year on coursera: <a href="https://class.coursera.org/astrobio-001" rel="nofollow">https://class.coursera.org/astrobio-001</a>. I guess it's time to go pollute the discussion forum with arguments from ignorance fallacies, hoyle's improbability calculation fallacy and other standard creationist nonsense. Mikkel Rumraket Rasmussenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07670550711237457368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-12621356584879939112014-01-07T09:31:42.967-05:002014-01-07T09:31:42.967-05:00Miller-Urey is about the origin of life. You shoul...Miller-Urey is about the origin of life. You shouldn't expect, Louise, to hear about the origin of life in a course in genetics and evolution.<br /><br />Starting with peppered moths is a problem? I always thought courses should start with something simple, then build on top of that. Were you disappointed when you were taught the ABC when you were a little kid instead of giving you Shakespeare?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-70798982674094212672014-01-07T09:27:51.165-05:002014-01-07T09:27:51.165-05:00What? The course lacked worshipping of Darwin? No ...What? The course lacked worshipping of Darwin? No promises to keep the secrets of evolution away from outsiders? We have to talk seriously with this Duke Univ guy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-221579218894972612014-01-06T19:32:06.663-05:002014-01-06T19:32:06.663-05:00I think all of you have to take courses on compreh...<i>I think all of you have to take courses on comprehension. Read my posts again and tell me where I said the course included the origin of life.</i><br /><br />First, why don't you point out where anyone claimed you said that?Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-59762859320564987042014-01-06T18:26:02.157-05:002014-01-06T18:26:02.157-05:00I think all of you have to take courses on compreh...I think all of you have to take courses on comprehension. Read my posts again and tell me where I said the course included the origin of life. If you find any of my comments stating that, I will send you $100.00 via paypal.<br /><br />However, I have alluded to that possibility and expressed my disappointment that Duke did not offer such courses at all for Mikkel's sake, but I have never said that the course I have been taking "evolution and genetics" included the topic of the origins of life-abiogenesis. It is obvious it would be self-defeating. Why would one start a course with A definition of life he does not have (yeah, that is still true. Nobody has a definition of life :) and then say he has not clue how it began and why scientist can't create it.Newbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112647387206975751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-20287179529854484692014-01-06T17:47:26.254-05:002014-01-06T17:47:26.254-05:00I took the course on a previous outing. It's e...I took the course on a previous outing. It's excellent. Shame about the trolling creationists on the forums. Lots of nonsense from imbeciles who think looking at creationist websites ( or listening to their pastor) gives them knowledge of biology. The first mention of 'allele frequency' scared most of them away. They hate anything that sounds a little complicated. If you find it boring Louise then stay away. It's not for the likes of you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-44696125450076326482014-01-06T06:20:36.107-05:002014-01-06T06:20:36.107-05:00Starting off a course with definitions that you ar...Starting off a course with definitions that you are familiar with makes you wonder whether you're wasting your time? So they should have <i>started</i> with something about genetics and evolution you have no earthly idea of?<br /><br />Would you expect a course entitled "Introduction to Mathematics" to start off with partial differential equations?<br /><br />This is really a pathetic attempt at finding something to criticize.judmarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03111006189037693272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-6140932415163254372014-01-06T00:50:40.815-05:002014-01-06T00:50:40.815-05:00My wife and I took the course with Mohammed Noor t...My wife and I took the course with Mohammed Noor the first time it was offered. We both found it informative and interesting, especially the mathematical parts and getting some idea of how traits spread via selection and drift. We both knew a reasonable amount heading in out of interest and from our background as science (Physic, Chem, Biology) teachers. It was a worthwhile effort but LouiseG is not up to it - too closed a mind.DGAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14520104265481289172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-77530369617128363202014-01-05T12:24:59.053-05:002014-01-05T12:24:59.053-05:00"LouiseG", pains me though it does to sa..."LouiseG", pains me though it does to say it, does have half a point, however. I'm not sure why an intro to evolution class would start with the hoary old peppered moth story right up front. Surely there are other illustrations that people have not heard thousands of times already. Never mind the fact, if any creationists are taking the course (and we know there is at least one), they'll roll they're eyes and think "Oh, yeah, the peppered moth. My pastor told me about that one. It's all fake."<br /><br />Personally, I'd consider starting with something like antibiotic resistance, which has the advantage of illustrating that evolution is a dynamic process that is occurring at this moment, and also how a proper understanding of it is relevant to serious issues that are immediately confronting us.Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-89516003721420136062014-01-05T11:06:41.391-05:002014-01-05T11:06:41.391-05:00You seem disappointed with the course, but why? Wh...<i>You seem disappointed with the course, but why? What did you expect? What led you to those expectations?</i><br /><br />From a long experience of dealing with creationists and their imbecilities, I can tell you precisely what Louise G.'s problem was with the course: it was too reasonable. It made entirely too much sense. It wasn't the absurd caricature she assumed evolution was. There were no altars on which incense was burned to an effigy of Charles Darwin, no avowed declarations of faith in the inexhaustible potential of metamorphosis, no X-Men-style treatment of mutations, etc. It was all disturbingly normal. And since reality didn't confirm with Louise G.'s assumptions about what evolutionary biologists do and think, it's reality that must be in error. This class must simply be hiding what the biologists are <i>really</i> up to. Why would they put it online otherwise?Nullifidianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15207390447020990907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-50973333292131910632014-01-05T09:36:56.049-05:002014-01-05T09:36:56.049-05:00Sigh. Mohammed Noor is a fly geneticist interested...Sigh. Mohammed Noor is a fly geneticist interested in the genetics of speciation. Of course he's going to teach from that perspective. I doubt he'll even get into the origin of life, if that's what you want. He may not even get into macroevolution, except for speciation. So what's wrong with what he's tried desperately to teach you so far?John Harshmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06705501480675917237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-31692454108342368842014-01-05T07:59:08.882-05:002014-01-05T07:59:08.882-05:00Louise G, What about "Introduction to Genetic...Louise G, What about "Introduction to Genetics and Evolution by Dr. Mohamed Noor At Duke University" signals that (a)biogenesis would be a subject? I would have questioned Dr. Noor's sanity if he'd mentioned Miller-Urey in this intro to Genetics and Evolution. I question your attitude as well.Rolf Aalberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12878337054438652463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-57777634843877377552014-01-04T18:09:30.023-05:002014-01-04T18:09:30.023-05:00I'm already doing the course, I didn't com...I'm already doing the course, I didn't come into it with the expectation that they'd be discussing the origin of life. What led you to that expectation? Maybe you should read the course description next time before signing up?<br /><br />If you want to learn about what scientists think about the origin of life, why don't you look at what <i>those scientists actually working on that problem</i> do, instead of signing up to unrelated courses on genetics?<br /><br />Let me help you with that. Here's a list of publications of one such scientist working on a hydrothermal-vent-metabolism-first type model: <br /><a href="http://science.jpl.nasa.gov/people/Russell/" rel="nofollow">http://science.jpl.nasa.gov/people/Russell/</a>Mikkel Rumraket Rasmussenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07670550711237457368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-61704735389587383042014-01-04T16:02:25.974-05:002014-01-04T16:02:25.974-05:00Its the other way around John: "Swine before ...Its the other way around John: "Swine before pearls"m ;)Newbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112647387206975751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-90279624047138549992014-01-04T16:01:09.403-05:002014-01-04T16:01:09.403-05:00Mikkel Rumraket Rasmussen wrote: "You seem di...Mikkel Rumraket Rasmussen wrote: "You seem disappointed with the course, but why? What did you expect? What led you to those expectations?"<br /><br />Well, sign up for the course so you will see. <br />I'm disappointed for people like you that they do not have courses on biogenesis, but then again; what would that course be called? "We have no idea"? I would be the shortest course on the planet too lol Newbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112647387206975751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-84466090529492893622014-01-04T09:10:53.856-05:002014-01-04T09:10:53.856-05:00Pearls before swine.Pearls before swine.John Harshmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06705501480675917237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-25212755132563958842014-01-03T19:02:44.771-05:002014-01-03T19:02:44.771-05:00You seem disappointed with the course, but why? Wh...You seem disappointed with the course, but why? What did you expect? What led you to those expectations?Mikkel Rumraket Rasmussenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07670550711237457368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-47555675300177227962014-01-03T18:05:35.169-05:002014-01-03T18:05:35.169-05:00I think I spent too much time on this and other go...I think I spent too much time on this and other good blogs and learned critical thinking too much. If this is what is being taught about evolution at reputable universities, creationists have nothing to fear. If you ALL think I'm making it up, you can sign up for free and check it out yourselves. I'm done. <br /><br />https://www.coursera.org/course/geneticsevolutionNewbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112647387206975751noreply@blogger.com