tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post3948126613798327352..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Creationist Thinking about Spontaneous GenerationLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-56725510507268034962009-09-28T07:00:16.584-04:002009-09-28T07:00:16.584-04:00"If nobody admits to holding such a belief, t..."If nobody admits to holding such a belief, then how do we account for the fact that the IDiots misunderstand and misrepresent science?"<br /><br />It must be because they need to.<br /><br />The expression "accidental origin of life" is extremely stupid. There's no more "accident" in it than in the rainfall that made Stephen B.'s street wet.Christophe Thillnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-512596927431133122009-09-26T11:20:32.095-04:002009-09-26T11:20:32.095-04:00What I wonder most is, that creationists actually ...What I wonder most is, that creationists actually believe in spontanious generation "per ce" : <br /><br />IF it is jus as they say and Pasteur's test show that it will not happen. And it is not just a "mechanistic limitation". Then God did not create them either. If there is spontanious generation ex. rats from clothes, is'nt that possible a creation process?<br /><br />If it is happening, then we have observed a phenomena, and in it can be many possible theories how it happen. End is testing. And if it is not happening, then it limit all possible theories. Everything that says "it poofed" are equally wrong.<br /><br />So I have wondered how it is a bigger problem to generate one "simple" life form, then many baramines, which are more complex. Old fashioned Creationists claim is that rhinos, cats and other stuff "poofed". <br /><br />So "in most creationistic way in looking it" there is actually two models. One in which is one, quite small, poof. (naturalistic) And one, where is many "extremely complex" (this information if complexicity is off course from "C -man") poofs. <br /><br />If poofs did not happen and we can not do the mainpart of science and test it somwhow too, is'nt there Occams Razor just for the cases like this?Tuomo "Squirrel" Hämäläinenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543274707131718316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-60200796970893759672009-09-26T08:59:16.667-04:002009-09-26T08:59:16.667-04:00Ugh, once a cretin, always a cretin.
Only shame is...Ugh, once a cretin, always a cretin.<br />Only shame is that somehow this one is able to remain alive.<br />Bit like a nasty virus, creating a downward spiral into intellectual oblivion. <br />But maybe it's better just to ignore the IDiots totally, as they contribute nothing any discourse?shonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08852080660380595251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-72846381856949270492009-09-25T13:13:48.272-04:002009-09-25T13:13:48.272-04:00A first-cause argument from Denyse O'Leary? Th...A first-cause argument from Denyse O'Leary? That's right Denyse, the only way to stop that regress is to insert your sky fairy, nevermind that there are plausible attempts to explain it without the supernatural. One massive argument from personal incredulity/ignorance (the former in the case of CW and latter in the case of O'leary?)InfuriatedSciTeacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14397655567633612539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-71968087844355655102009-09-25T09:18:11.881-04:002009-09-25T09:18:11.881-04:00I am in basic agreement with Tyro on additional or...I am in basic agreement with Tyro on additional origins of life. You could not have a build-up of precursor molecules today which resembled that on the early earth, because existing life forms would get there first, and they have a tremendous headstart. It's a "winner takes all" argument.Bayesian Bouffant, FCDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-64485640913991842442009-09-25T08:06:56.356-04:002009-09-25T08:06:56.356-04:00The accidental origin of life idea hurts science b...<i>The accidental origin of life idea hurts science because it militates against the vital principle of causation, the rational and indispensible standard on which science is based. The first question any researcher asks is this: “How did it happen? or—What caused it? Yet, the concept of spontaneous generation popularizes the idea that physical events can occur without causes—that there need not be a “how”—that they can “just happen.”</i><br /><br />I always get a laugh when clowns like Mr. StephenB make statements like this. I have a flash for Mr. StephenB. Radioactive decay of unstable nuclii is a perfect example of a process that has no cause. One can make no prediction as to when any particular unstable nucleus will decay because the process is entirely random. One can only state the probability that it will decay within a given time period, based on observations of the half life of a large number of such nuclii.SLCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-16392528855225759962009-09-25T00:34:47.024-04:002009-09-25T00:34:47.024-04:00Could it only occur in conditions no longer in exi...<i>Could it only occur in conditions no longer in existence?</i><br /><br />I'm no expert but my understanding is that because the world is now populated by hungry organisms, any environment which begins to form the rich organic chemical precursors to life gets filled with existing life which feeds on this 'soup'. There may have been multiple independent sources of life at one point but with so many predatory organisms, that window may be closed.<br /><br />I look forward to more knowledgeable contributors correcting me :)Adrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08694840174170043470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-58843131261588339972009-09-24T18:22:56.224-04:002009-09-24T18:22:56.224-04:00The question of life forming only once is interest...The question of life forming only once is interesting as well. I would suspect that it has formed more than once, perhaps even on earth, but much more likely on other planets.<br /><br />Seems it could be hard now for new life to form since there are many complex life forms in every niche. Could a new process leading to life actually compete or persist long enough without being consumed to extinction?Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-8156250683290162762009-09-24T18:18:31.315-04:002009-09-24T18:18:31.315-04:00We don't call them IDiots for no reason.
The...We don't call them IDiots for no reason.<br /><br />There is some very interesting research into abiogenesis. See R Hazen's book. I am sure progress will continue to be slow as this is not likely a high-priority research topic.<br /><br />But in my lifetime there has been huge progress.<br /><br />I look orward to reading about more.Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-55459519835287712802009-09-24T18:06:41.361-04:002009-09-24T18:06:41.361-04:00I also wonder why life only formed once. Is it suc...I also wonder why life only formed once. Is it such an improbable event? Could it only occur in conditions no longer in existence? Or does it continue to occur from time to time, deep in some thermal vent somewhere?Rumpelstiltskinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-45446058851583769052009-09-24T17:29:57.166-04:002009-09-24T17:29:57.166-04:00"One of the rhetorical tricks used by creatio..."One of the rhetorical tricks used by creationists is to refer to the origin of life as "spontaneous generation." <br /><br />I prefer to think of it more as a "creation myth"<br /><br />http://www.magictails.com/creationlinks.htmlcharlie wagnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10336551281072076432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-88281969106990276742009-09-24T16:27:50.692-04:002009-09-24T16:27:50.692-04:00Some fools simply equate "natural" with ...Some fools simply equate "natural" with "random".<br /><br />Life on Earth began through natural processes, but that doesn't mean they were totally chance events.Ford Prefect, Hefner Heir Apparentnoreply@blogger.com