tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post3669381214177357099..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Creationists list the top ten stories of 2016Larry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-80606412064315054842017-01-09T09:07:00.720-05:002017-01-09T09:07:00.720-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Misconceptions in evolution theorieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02221854011348738166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-68527048799036036552017-01-09T09:06:46.811-05:002017-01-09T09:06:46.811-05:00Don, who said feathers were created for flying? Th...Don, who said feathers were created for flying? They give effective heat insulation. Could that have been a more probable first usage?Misconceptions in evolution theorieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02221854011348738166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-25882041656828128292017-01-09T08:51:41.306-05:002017-01-09T08:51:41.306-05:00Don,
Feathers can also be used for display.Don,<br />Feathers can also be used for display.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04852803503240037336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-53582232763380941352017-01-02T16:21:45.324-05:002017-01-02T16:21:45.324-05:00Why would a dinosaur need feathers if it couldn...<i>Why would a dinosaur need feathers if it couldn't fly?</i><br /><br />Everyone knows dinosaurs can't fly, and those pterosaur fossils are just another example of the Deity's antic sense of humor.<br /><br />Funny guy - err, God.<br /><br />BTW, Don, do you ever get tired of being so obviously, absurdly wrong? I can't find "Thou shalt not be too damned smart" in the Ten Commandments anywhere, but it seems you've taken that to heart.<br /><br />judmarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03111006189037693272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-53805829311507228582017-01-02T03:21:28.108-05:002017-01-02T03:21:28.108-05:00"If you are cold, you get a fur coat not a fe..."If you are cold, you get a fur coat not a feather coat .."<br /><br />You do if you're a mammal. I wonder why the designer couldn't give penguins fur -- after all, they don't use their feathers to fly. Surely a sensible designer could just dole out different designs across different phylogenetic groups. I wonder why he never gave bats feathers.christine janishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14520766623263222808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-36849277826360634482017-01-01T19:02:34.522-05:002017-01-01T19:02:34.522-05:00ID is about scientific evidence for design and dem...ID is about scientific evidence for design and demonstrating the impossibility of chance being the origin. Then attacks on evolutionism is another front. Some ID see evolutionism in its glory as false and some do not. There are species here to ID folks. however a big tent helps all against a common <br />This should be apparent by observation of the conversations.<br /><br />These are good stories they picked.<br />Bacteria selection is not evolution. If it was then there would be new scientific names for these new species of bacteria. There isn't because its simple and rare cases of selectionism. Evolutionism is based on the glory of mutations.<br />Showing selection in bacteria has nothing to do with evolutionism EXCEPT a starting point in lines of reasoning.<br />likewise finding leggy whales is not proof for natural selection on mutation. They make this mistake also. A classic error.<br /><br />The american peoples support of freedom of enquiry and discussion in subjects of contention is a historic belief that is unique to them.<br />Censorship is too them unjust, and suspicious of establishment tyranny.<br />Creationists can work with the american public and just need to agitate more and get more law cases. <br /><br />It was a productive, maybe great year, for YEC/ID is its attrition on wrong ideas in origins. Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-57772764243994957492017-01-01T16:46:57.407-05:002017-01-01T16:46:57.407-05:00When you're right, you're right.When you're right, you're right.Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-49095548723456354732017-01-01T16:44:10.973-05:002017-01-01T16:44:10.973-05:00Don Quixote: Why would a dinosaur need feathers if...Don Quixote: <i>Why would a dinosaur need feathers if it couldn't fly?</i><br /><br />That explains why the most expensive winter coats are stuffed with hair.<br /><br />Oh wait. They're stuffed with down. A simple, less "evolved" form of feather.Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-13406140968771500002017-01-01T16:41:42.513-05:002017-01-01T16:41:42.513-05:00Don Quixote tilts at this windmill: Think about it...Don Quixote tilts at this windmill: <i>Think about it; if millions of species on earth are supposedly "evolving", why not take one or few into the lab and prove how they are evolving, by what mechanism (s) and make some predictions?</i><br /><br />Uh, they did. Read the scientific literature. <br /><br />What the hell do you think Lenski's been doing for 20 $%&*ing years? What about the genomic studies of nylonase done by the Japanse? T-urf13?<br /><br />It's a common creo trick. Ask a question based on a false premise. If people point out that your premise is false, then you say "They try to stop us from asking questions!"Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-33757814438694919792017-01-01T12:07:00.779-05:002017-01-01T12:07:00.779-05:00colnago80: he's retired, but not a former prof...colnago80: he's retired, but not a former professor. He's now a professor emeritus, so still a professor. <br /><br />Diogenes: I'm curious, what was the criticism that resulted in your being banned?<br /><br />-jaxkayakerKeithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03141027405807111565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-21533637285451178302017-01-01T12:02:36.400-05:002017-01-01T12:02:36.400-05:00Apparently, their #1 story hadn't been posted ...Apparently, their #1 story hadn't been posted yet when Dr. Moran made this post. <br /><br />You have an appropriate internet handle. The Don Quixote of fiction was delusional. Good choice. <br /><br />-jaxkayakerKeithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03141027405807111565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-60386847194154189842017-01-01T11:07:32.656-05:002017-01-01T11:07:32.656-05:00Don,
Again, there's such thing as searching t...Don,<br /><br />Again, there's such thing as searching the web, for example, with google.<br /><br /><i>"why not take one or few into the lab and prove how they are evolving, by what mechanism (s) and make some predictions?"</i><br /><br />Do you mean like the many experiments in such fields as directed evolution, studying organisms in the wild as they invade a new niche, studying bacterial populations for thousands of generations, biogeographical studies, archaeology, population genetics, computer simulations, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc?<br /><br /><i>"It's all nonsense designed to deceive the naive public under the umbrella of "science"."</i><br /><br />Do you mean like the "theory" of "intelligent design"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-91533073347911981622017-01-01T11:04:26.338-05:002017-01-01T11:04:26.338-05:00If you are cold, you get a fur coat not a feather ...<i>If you are cold, you get a fur coat not a feather coat ... It's nonsense.</i><br /><br />I know, right? I mean, if feathers were any good for heat insulation, people would be stuffing parkas and duvets with goose down. Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-60301854529730182392017-01-01T11:01:29.372-05:002017-01-01T11:01:29.372-05:00Think about it; if millions of species on earth ar...<i>Think about it; if millions of species on earth are supposedly "evolving", why not take one or few into the lab and prove how they are evolving, by what mechanism (s) and make some predictions?</i><br /><br />Hey, what a great idea! If only someone would do it.<br /><br /><a href="http://myxo.css.msu.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://myxo.css.msu.edu/</a>Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-7090209477344734272017-01-01T11:01:20.764-05:002017-01-01T11:01:20.764-05:00Don,
Are you really that stupidly ignorant or you...Don,<br /><br />Are you really that stupidly ignorant or you're just pretending? Check before writing your comments. There's such thing as searching, for example, with google.<br /><br />1) Feathers are excellent at isolating from cold. <br /><br />2) Knowing or not knowing why dinosaurs evolved feathers doesn't erase the evidence that dinosaurs evolved feathers.<br /><br />When scientists discover something, they don't ignore it because they haven't figured out why it happened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-52212923834558950552017-01-01T10:47:11.398-05:002017-01-01T10:47:11.398-05:00You might find this site interesting:
http://www....You might find this site interesting:<br /><br />http://www.heritagedaily.com txpiperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03645156881353741058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-24978646005090096642017-01-01T10:31:00.803-05:002017-01-01T10:31:00.803-05:00Let's say antibiotic resistance doesn't ca...Let's say antibiotic resistance doesn't cause a loss of function ...<br /><br />Still, do you realize how sad this is evolutionists hanging on to this ONE EXAMPLE of "evolution in action" like grim death?<br /><br />Think about it; if millions of species on earth are supposedly "evolving", why not take one or few into the lab and prove how they are evolving, by what mechanism (s) and make some predictions?<br /><br />It's all nonsense designed to deceive the naive public under the umbrella of "science".Jmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392421995310271733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-12876486604094376482017-01-01T10:12:41.581-05:002017-01-01T10:12:41.581-05:00As an interesting contrast to the DI list, here is...As an interesting contrast to the DI list, here is a summary of one science website's 2016 stories on evolution. For some odd reason it seems to be predominated by actual scientific research that addresses and answers specific questions about evolutionary theory, with no mention of ID creationism at all. Go figure:<br /><br />http://www.livescience.com/topics/evolution Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-91332584102636904592017-01-01T10:09:40.748-05:002017-01-01T10:09:40.748-05:00Let's say there were dinosaurs with feathers.....Let's say there were dinosaurs with feathers...<br /><br />Why would a dinosaur need feathers if it couldn't fly? <br /><br />If you are cold, you get a fur coat not a feather coat ... It's nonsense.<br />Jmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392421995310271733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-27060443649904122892017-01-01T09:42:38.303-05:002017-01-01T09:42:38.303-05:00Coyne banned me. He's not tolerant of criticis...<i>Coyne banned me. He's not tolerant of criticism.</i><br /><br />Well...You should have sent him few pictures of your cat wearing Santaclause outfit, preferably with some dialogue between you and the cat. Jerry would have been ecstatic and could have reinstated you lolJmachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04392421995310271733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-72126123017051730872017-01-01T09:39:23.391-05:002017-01-01T09:39:23.391-05:00The number one story of the year has now been post...The number one story of the year has now been posted. I won't spoil the "surprise":<br /><br /><a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/2017/01/1_happy_new_yea103401.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.evolutionnews.org/2017/01/1_happy_new_yea103401.html</a><br /><br /><a href="https://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">The Sensuous Curmudgeon</a> has been blogging, in his inimitable fashion, about the DI's top ten list, though he has not yet covered the top 2 stories.Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-253028459932430972017-01-01T02:48:50.634-05:002017-01-01T02:48:50.634-05:00#9. Feathers on a dino or bird tail? You should be...#9. Feathers on a dino or bird tail? You should be utterly confused as to why Stephen Meyer and the other IDiots go to bat for the absurd claim that a dino tail found in amber is a bird tail. If they really believed in the "intelligent design hypothesis", why the $%&* would they care whether birds evolved from dinosaurs or not? I mean, they supposedly allow for common descent, right? Behe said common descent was "trivial." <br /><br />Why couldn't their Intelligent Designer (name unspecified, but rhymes with Todd) design some feathers on a dinosaur? Right? <br /><br />I mean, besides Archaeopteryx, scientists in China have found *dozens* of species of feathered dinosaurs. So why would someone who *really* believed that Intelligent Design is a scientific hypothesis consider it so $%^&ing important to defend the creo belief (to paraphrase) "if it has a feather it CANNOT be a dinosaur, and if it's a dinosaur, that thing CANNOT be a feather!"<br /><br />What is THAT the ridiculous hill they choose to die on? I mean, there are dozens of species of feathered dinosaurs now, and the IDiots at the Disco Tute like Lathey Puffkin write thousands of words and spill massive amounts of ink going through all those dozens of species, saying "That one has feathers-- so it CANNOT be a dinosaur" or "That one's a dinosaur, so those feathery things CANNOT be feathers", and it appears in each case, they picked one of those 2 allowed possibilities by just flipping a $%&ing coin.<br /><br />Why?<br /><br />Well, to summarize, it's because they're creationists. And if you don't know the history of creationism, about 100 years ago, Young Earth creationists decided to call Archaeopteryx "just a bird, a perching BIRD" and conceal or wave away its long bony tail, its toothed jaws, its neck entering the skull from the back not from below, and its many other dinosaurian features. Since the 80's the Young Earth creationists have quoted Alan Feduccia that Archaeopteryx is "just a bird, a perching BIRD" because Feduccia says "if it has a feather, it cannot be a dinosaur!" by his definition.<br /><br />So creationists are locked in by that historical legacy. Creos and ID proponents of the Disco Tute are to this day constrained by preserving the claimed authority of long-dead creationist geniuses like Duane Gish, so they MUST die on the hill of "it has a feather, it cannot be a dinosaur!" If they every admitted they got it wrong, they'd have to admit they're fallible, and we can't have that.<br /><br />It's so redonkulous that creos seriously write $%!+ like 'Archaeopteryx had bird-like teeth' (note every living bird species HAS NO TEETH) and Stephen Meyer is reduced to bleating 'the dino tail found in amber could be a long, bony, flexible, articulated bird tail' (note that NO LIVING BIRD SPECIES HAS A LONG BONY TAIL. They all have pygostyles.) Their definition of "bird" becomes ever wider with each new fossil dug up in China.<br /><br />Remember, don't call ID creationism! ID just aggressively defends every creationist belief. But don't call it creationism!Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-83384601482791820892017-01-01T02:25:53.098-05:002017-01-01T02:25:53.098-05:00#8. Evolution of antibiotic resistance visualized ...#8. Evolution of antibiotic resistance visualized in real time. I clicked through to the Disco Tute's explanation for why this evolution isn't evolution. Here's the money quote.<br /><br />Disco Tute: <i>They [authors of the evolution paper] break the mutations down into silent changes, **changes of amino acids** (point mutations), and insertion-deletion or nonsense mutations, which <b>almost certainly are loss of function (LOF).</b></i><br /><br />Stop right there. First, they glided past changes of amino acids, which can introduce new functions. They skip ahead to insertion-deletion, call them "nonsense mutations", and *assume* that which they need to prove: <i>which almost certainly are loss of function</i>. No, that's what you need to prove. You're just restating your hypothesis "evolution of new complexity is impossible" and present it as evidence for your desired conclusion "evolution of new complexity didn't happen here!"<br /><br />And in practice, we know this isn't true. Insertion/deletion mutations *are* involved (as one step among many) in the appearance of new functions, like nylonase. Wouldn't it be nice if the IDiots knew that?<br /><br />Continuing: <i>Over half of genes contain such LOF mutations, along with some <b>point mutations, which likely also degrade or destroy function.</b> In other words, devolution.</i><br /><br />Again, folks, they just *assume* that which they need to prove: <i>point mutations... likely also degrade or destroy function.</i>. <br /><br />Again, they're just restating their hypothesis in different words and presenting their belief as evidence their desired conclusion is true.<br /><br />And again, we know in practice this is not true, because we know changes of amino acids have introduced new functions.<br /><br />And this is <b>the most substantive of all their 9 top stories.</b>Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-48486077817315294562017-01-01T02:14:25.726-05:002017-01-01T02:14:25.726-05:00Coyne banned me. He's not tolerant of criticis...Coyne banned me. He's not tolerant of criticism.Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-81390044442859274342016-12-31T23:50:10.646-05:002016-12-31T23:50:10.646-05:00When you suggest that Zeus might be the designer, ...When you suggest that Zeus might be the designer, I'm sure that's just a momentary lapse. Surely you meant Epimethius and Prometheus?Anebohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05865020806337781472noreply@blogger.com