tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post2523455995264257428..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: The Great Accommodationist Dud: Round 2Larry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-21053629930935664452010-10-12T05:32:09.214-04:002010-10-12T05:32:09.214-04:00"PZ replies, very effectively, by pointing ou..."PZ replies, very effectively, by pointing out that many people find Chris Mooney annoying, arrogant, and offensive but they aren't telling him to shut up!"<br />And miss the entertainment that comes from it? I think not!<br /><br />But seriously speaking, I'm a little confused by the rhetoric Mooney and Hecht seemed to be advocating. While PZ was just asking to be one of many different voices, Mooney and Hecht while agreeing that fundamentalism should be opposed the gnu atheists are putting moderates offside because of the way they speak to those fundamentalists. It was like a slightly more nuanced version of the grandma gambit but with the same effect. The way X speaks puts off Y therefore shouldn't speak at all even if it doesn't bother Z and may even be necessary against Z.Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12460075520187803334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-36260588333445437082010-10-12T01:14:17.611-04:002010-10-12T01:14:17.611-04:00Hoo boy...
I love how the "moderator" su...Hoo boy...<br />I love how the "moderator" summarizes her position at the end of the debate.<br /><br />The weakness of these debates is exactly that - their success is too dependent on the skillfulness of the moderator. And this one was utter failure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-12293743023291955342010-10-11T15:33:15.462-04:002010-10-11T15:33:15.462-04:00I thought Hecht was an embarrassment.
I am having...I thought Hecht was an embarrassment.<br /><br />I am having difficulty understanding what PZ and Chris Mooney are disagreeing about. Personally, I am not a confrontational kind of person, so would probably interact the way Mooney prefers. But I don't have a problem with PZ, and I think his methods do some good.<br /><br />Mooney comes across as if he has a grand strategy to solve all of the problems, and it will work provided that everyone uses his tactics. But Mooney's own argument should show him that people are complex, and no single approach could work. So I say that Mooney should act himself, and he should stop complaining when PZ acts himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-2038048374324975092010-10-11T12:51:49.846-04:002010-10-11T12:51:49.846-04:00I just finished listening to the podcast and I agr...I just finished listening to the podcast and I agree with you Larry.NewEnglandBobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07190715223856189053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-67146297857366103542010-10-11T11:42:10.924-04:002010-10-11T11:42:10.924-04:00I didn't want to believe you but ugh, it was e...I didn't want to believe you but ugh, it was even worse than I feared. Hecht interrupts PZ, spends more time talking than either of the headline guests when she's supposed to be a moderator.<br /><br />Impressive that PZ can keep his cool but beyond that it was an uninformative discussion. I actually believe that had Mooney and PZ talked directly without a moderator it would have been a much more productive time.Adrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08694840174170043470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-50677609954861891422010-10-11T11:12:38.416-04:002010-10-11T11:12:38.416-04:00The question I don't understand about accomoda...The question I don't understand about accomodationism is what it's meant to achieve. <br /><br />Is it meant as a patronizing pat on the head to theists?<br /><br />Is it meant to protect us from bullying theists?<br /><br />Is it somehow meant to be a viable scientific thesis? <br /><br />Is it meant as pure legal and political pragmatism? <br /><br />Whatever it is, I can't think of a way in which it isn't theists getting special pleading and privilege, just for being theists. <br /><br />And isn't that different accountability precisely the problem?<br /><br />'Some say God guides the evolutionary process'. OK, and then lay out the evidence and counter-evidence. Please. Conclude with an objective statement about the value of that evidence. Please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com