tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post2047965614174577216..comments2024-03-19T00:24:23.577-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: NCSE Lauds Templeton Prize WinnerLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-39268106311940318282010-03-28T16:24:24.087-04:002010-03-28T16:24:24.087-04:00Josh: I did not say those other two news items wer...Josh: I did not say those other two news items were "congratulating". They were, however, altogether, three very odd-looking news items set amongst a list relating to awards for achievement in evolutionary science or education.<br /><br />The Templeton Prize is an award for scientists who speak nicely about spiritual/religious stuff. <br /><br />I cannot find a news item for PZ's award amongst your google list. Is there one? If not, and if the newsworthiness of the three Templeton Prize winners was entirely due to the fact that they have spoken against Intelligent Design, and absolutely nothing to do with their Christian faith, then why no equivalent recognition for PZ?Leigh Jacksonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-62333187431732210152010-03-28T14:22:04.897-04:002010-03-28T14:22:04.897-04:00Leigh: Noting the death of someone who won a Templ...Leigh: Noting the death of someone who won a Templeton is not "congratulat[ing] in this manner," nor is pointing out the anti-ID views of a previous winner.<br /><br />Matthew: Like it or not, the Templeton award gets a lot of press, and a review of the search I helpfully provided will show that NCSE congratulates Supporters on a range of awards. Contra Leigh, there's no reason who only one honor in a Supporter's career should be so noted. (Note that "Supporter" is an official NCSE designation: http://ncse.com/about/supporters)<br /><br />Twitter tells me that Jim Lippard has already pointed out that RNCSE did note PZ's award, and I see that PZ has corrected the post. And I see that Penfold is in the comments there asking me for "an official explanation," which suggests that he's missed the point about my not blogging or blog-commenting in my official capacity at NCSE. I'm just some guy, and other just some guys already addressed the major points.Josh Rosenauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07304209937998935215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-53125414523137383192010-03-28T07:56:12.720-04:002010-03-28T07:56:12.720-04:00Arthur Koestler named this kind of scientists.<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Call-Girls-Arthur-Koestler/dp/0394484355" rel="nofollow">Arthur Koestler</a> named this kind of scientists.shonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08852080660380595251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-33534637797517973632010-03-28T01:31:28.656-04:002010-03-28T01:31:28.656-04:00NCSE did mark Myers' win of the Humanist of th...NCSE did mark Myers' win of the Humanist of the Year, as PZ notes in an update to this post http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/03/my_feelings_are_crushed.php<br /><br />If NCSE thinks that not conflating science and atheism is useful in their fight for good science education, they're quite sensible in promoting someone who opposes that view.<br /><br />Mike from OttawaMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07174422312354863164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-33609030775332117632010-03-27T16:01:31.502-04:002010-03-27T16:01:31.502-04:00Ayala's award from Templeton explicitly cites ...<i> Ayala's award from Templeton explicitly cites his work against creationism, making it legitimate fodder for NCSE.</i><br /><br />And Myers' Humanist of the Year Award <a href="http://www.thehumanist.org/humanist/09_nov_dec/Myers.html" rel="nofollow">explicitly cites</a> HIS work against creationism.<br /><br /><i>As a vocal atheist and skeptic of all forms of religion, superstition, and pseudoscience, Myers was a founding member of the pro-evolution website The Panda's Thumb and has long been a leading critic of creationism and intelligent design.</i>benjdmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-71775703139289012922010-03-27T15:45:34.988-04:002010-03-27T15:45:34.988-04:00Josh,
PZ has just brought an interesting fact to ...Josh,<br /><br />PZ has just brought an interesting fact to light. <br /><br />PZ is a member of the NCSE. Last year he won Humanist of the Year, awarded by the American Humanist Association. <br /><br />The NCSE did not acknowledge that fact. <br /><br />It seems you and your employer are engaged with rather underhand double standards. Not good on the part of the NCSE, but then it does employ you, and your record of late with regards intellectual honesty is piss poor.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08574811187635452616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-27820560235165177012010-03-26T14:35:40.577-04:002010-03-26T14:35:40.577-04:00has led to pioneering breakthroughs in religious c...<i>has led to pioneering breakthroughs in religious concepts and knowledge</i><br /><br /><a href="http://static.open.salon.com/files/jesus_and_dinosaurs_51229458581.jpg" rel="nofollow">Like this one</a>Bayesian Bouffant, FCDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-55786172288602265992010-03-26T13:31:42.240-04:002010-03-26T13:31:42.240-04:00NCSE deservedly recognised Ayala's award of th...NCSE deservedly recognised Ayala's award of the National Medal of Science in 2002 for his work in evolutionary biology.<br />http://ncse.com/news/2002/05/ncse-supporter-ayala-receives-national-medal-science-00376<br /><br />I think that was sufficient. The Templeton Foundation promote the philosophical position that science and religion are harmonious. Many scientists disagree. The prize is meaningless as far as science goes.Leigh Jacksonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-83973744607922829042010-03-26T12:53:55.396-04:002010-03-26T12:53:55.396-04:00NCSE had a news item mention on the death of Arthu...NCSE had a news item mention on the death of Arthur Peacocke - Templeton Prize winner 2001.<br />http://ncse.com/news/2006/10/arthur-peacocke-dies-00912<br /><br />They also had a news item on the 2008 winner.<br /><br />"The recipient of the 2008 Templeton Prize for Progress Toward Research or Discoveries about Spiritual Realities was Michael Heller, a Polish cosmologist and Catholic priest, currently Professor in the Faculty of Philosophy at the Pontifical Academy of Theology in Krakow. John M. Templeton Jr., the chair of the John Templeton Foundation and the son of Sir John Templeton, who established the prize in 1973, told the Times of London (March 13, 2008), "Michael Heller's quest for deeper understanding has led to pioneering breakthroughs in religious concepts and knowledge as well as expanding the horizons of science." Heller will receive the prize from Prince Philip at a private ceremony at Buckingham Palace on May 7, 2008; it brings with it 1.6 million dollars, which Heller plans to use to establish a center for the study of science and theology in Krakow."<br />http://ncse.com/news/2008/03/newest-templeton-prize-winner-rejects-intelligent-design-001804Leigh Jacksonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-821157777721503632010-03-26T12:21:49.828-04:002010-03-26T12:21:49.828-04:00So far as I can tell, this is the only Templeton w...<i>So far as I can tell, this is the only Templeton winner that NCSE has congratulated in this manner, or indeed written up as a news item (not, FWIW, a press release).</i><br /><br />What a terrible oversight. Perhaps you can rush out a belated congratulations to YEC Charles Colson.Bayesian Bouffant, FCDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-3488365264558370282010-03-26T08:07:33.723-04:002010-03-26T08:07:33.723-04:00Josh,
Why did the NCSE not just ignore the Temple...Josh,<br /><br />Why did the NCSE not just ignore the Templeton award ? I am sure NCSE supporters get awards all the time. Why single out the Templeton ? What relevance does the Templeton prize have to the work of the NCSE ? <br /><br />As and aside, did any anyone notice how Mooney has blogged on this and failed to mention he (Mooney) has been made a Templeton Fellow. Does the man have no ethical sense at all ?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08574811187635452616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-25389672074490768312010-03-25T18:30:32.732-04:002010-03-25T18:30:32.732-04:00Oh for fu–
http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=s...Oh for fu– <br /><br />http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=site%3Ancse.com%2Fnews+award<br /><br />Bill Maher is a) not an official NCSE Supporter (a distinction of unclear import, but still a distinction) and b) did not get the inaugural Dawkins award for his work on evolution education. Ayala's award from Templeton explicitly cites his work against creationism, making it legitimate fodder for NCSE. <br /><br />So far as I can tell, this is the only Templeton winner that NCSE has congratulated in this manner, or indeed written up as a news item (not, FWIW, a press release).Josh Rosenauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07304209937998935215noreply@blogger.com