tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post201776990840067953..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Vincent Torley and the evidence for god(s)Larry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-79892940562304753462016-01-17T09:18:55.061-05:002016-01-17T09:18:55.061-05:00What a bunch of nonsense. To save people the time...What a bunch of nonsense. To save people the time, here is an excerpt from that pill of rubbish:<br /><br /><i>So light originating within space and time goes beyond space and time, because space and time become non-existent for it. And we cannot claim that this is without any cause. As light is not a conscious entity, so neither can we claim here that light has the capability of deciding its own fate that it will go beyond space and time.</i><br /><br />ROTFLMAO! Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-58952845916426669342016-01-17T01:15:28.509-05:002016-01-17T01:15:28.509-05:00Here is a link below:
https://sekharpal.wordpress....Here is a link below:<br />https://sekharpal.wordpress.com/.../is-fine-tuning.../<br />Here I have shown that the fine tuning argument is not actually needed for proving the existence of God, because existence of God can also be proved even if there is no fine tuning..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-18509755250391144382015-02-22T12:08:31.091-05:002015-02-22T12:08:31.091-05:00"Physicist and author Paul Davies points out ..."Physicist and author Paul Davies points out that science does a wonderful job of explaining physical phenomena such as rain. But he says: “When it comes to . . . questions such as ‘Why are there laws of nature?’ the situation is less clear. These sorts of questions are not much affected by specific scientific discoveries: many of the really big questions have remained unchanged since the birth of civilization and still vex us today.”<br /><br /><br />“The important point is not merely that there are regularities in nature,” wrote Flew in 2007, “but that these regularities are mathematically precise, universal, and ‘tied together.’ Einstein spoke of them as ‘reason incarnate.’ The question we should ask is how nature came packaged in this fashion. This is certainly the question that scientists from Newton to Einstein to Heisenberg have asked—and answered. Their answer was the Mind of God.”<br /><br /><br />Indeed, many highly respected scientists do not consider it unscientific to believe in an intelligent First Cause. On the other hand, to say that the universe, its laws, and life just happened is intellectually unsatisfying. Everyday experience tells us that design—especially highly sophisticated design—calls for a designer."<br />Newbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112647387206975751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-31168507045124538332015-02-22T11:50:44.107-05:002015-02-22T11:50:44.107-05:00"Scientific research is limited—restricted to..."Scientific research is limited—restricted to what humans can actually observe or study. Otherwise it is mere theory or guesswork. Since “God is a Spirit,” he simply cannot be subjected to direct scientific scrutiny. (John 4:24) It is arrogant, therefore, to dismiss faith in God as unscientific. Scientist Vincent Wigglesworth of Cambridge University observed that the scientific method itself is “a religious approach.” How so? “It rests upon an unquestioning faith that natural phenomena conform to ‘laws of nature.’” So when someone rejects belief in God, is he not simply exchanging one type of faith for another? In some cases, disbelief appears to be a deliberate refusal to face the truth -Psalm 10:4"Newbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112647387206975751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-63745542220896789332015-02-21T09:34:56.415-05:002015-02-21T09:34:56.415-05:00Just as I thought VJT couldn't write anything ...Just as I thought VJT couldn't write anything more embarrassing, he came up with this:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/is-larry-moran-a-conspiracy-theorist/" rel="nofollow">Larry Moran, a Conspiracy Theorist</a><br /><br />[headdesk, headdesk, headdesk]Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-3047099102176107592015-02-19T10:56:51.371-05:002015-02-19T10:56:51.371-05:00I think it's safe to say that other nations do...<i>I think it's safe to say that other nations don't have as many popular politicians who are kooks.</i><br /><br />It certainly seems that way, though I would emphasize the word "popular". In Canada, we may well have our share of Michelle Bachman's and Lou Gohmert's among our Parliamentarians. But it could be that, because of the more rigid control that party leaders maintain over their caucus, we don't hear from them all that often.Faizal Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937075798809265805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-17280577776615616922015-02-19T10:08:33.189-05:002015-02-19T10:08:33.189-05:00Diogenes,
Canada has its fair share of kooks. Tha...Diogenes,<br /><br />Canada has its fair share of kooks. That's not the point. I was asking a legitimate question and I don't know the answer. Do you?Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-12102132646364101222015-02-19T09:37:54.763-05:002015-02-19T09:37:54.763-05:00Larry: "I wonder if there's a significant...Larry: <i>"I wonder if there's a significant difference in the percentage of kooks in different countries?"</i><br /><br />Ooh he made me do 10 seconds of googling!!<br /><br /><i>"For centuries people claimed to have boarded UFOs, encountered aliens and even sipped on Crop Circle Beer. Skeptics may dismiss believers as nerds and nutters but there's no doubting the increasing popularity of the paranormal in the mainstream. <b>Canada has one of the highest rates of UFO sightings per capita and, for many Canadians, life beyond earth is a definite reality.</b>"</i> [<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/archives/categories/science-technology/the-unexplained/close-encounters-of-the-canadian-kind/alien-abductions-in-canada.html" rel="nofollow">UFOs: Alien Abductions in Canda</a>]<br /><br />Larry: <i>"One has the impression that the USA has a higher percentage than other Western industrialized nations but is this true?"</i><br /><br />Only in the House of Representatives... committees on science and technology... where they're usually Chairman.<br /><br />Look Larry, in the lake-- it's a <i>sea serpent!</i><br /><br />Oh, wait. It was a stick.<br />Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-83800653379584741932015-02-19T07:22:15.447-05:002015-02-19T07:22:15.447-05:00I happen to know of studies on the number of Ameri...I happen to know of studies on the number of Americans who think they have been abducted. I don't know how this compares to other countries. Do you? <br /><br />I choose alien abductions as an example because it's much more incredible than thinking you've seen a monster in a lake. <br /><br />I wonder if there's a significant difference in the percentage of kooks in different countries? One has the impression that the USA has a higher percentage than other Western industrialized nations but is this true?<br /><br />I think it's safe to say that other nations don't have as many popular politicians who are kooks. Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-77511178641163555382015-02-18T23:31:20.889-05:002015-02-18T23:31:20.889-05:00Larry, why on Earth do you write "Several tho...Larry, why on Earth do you write "Several thousand Americans swear they have been abducted by aliens"? People around the world tell such stories. We just have the best ones.<br /><br />Want me to google Canadian abduction stories? How about all your lake monsters? Half of Canada sees a log in a lake and thinks it's a $%&# sea monster.Diogeneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15551943619872944637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-774284631600802372015-02-17T07:02:05.351-05:002015-02-17T07:02:05.351-05:00Would VJT accept these eyewitness testimonies sign...Would VJT accept these eyewitness testimonies signed by real people with documented biographies?<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Witnesses" rel="nofollow">Three Witnesses</a><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Witnesses" rel="nofollow">Eight Witnesses</a>Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-65681077978814119422015-02-17T06:39:27.111-05:002015-02-17T06:39:27.111-05:00Several thousand Americans swear that they have be...Several thousand Americans swear that they have been abducted by aliens. Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-2353863550519033242015-02-17T06:15:21.801-05:002015-02-17T06:15:21.801-05:00Joseph of Cupertino, who was seen levitating well ...<i>Joseph of Cupertino, who was seen levitating well above the ground and even flying for some distance through the air, on literally thousands of occasions, by believers and skeptics alike. </i><br /><br />Thousands of people, including trained observers such as police officers, have reported UFO (and also Sasquatch) sightings.<br /><br />Small problem - when someone reports they have seen a UFO, which is more likely:<br /><br />a) they have witnessed a human-made device they are unfamiliar with<br />b) they have witnessed a natural phenomenon they are unfamiliar with<br />c) they are mentally ill, or outright liars for attention and profit<br />d) they have actually witnessed an extremely highly advanced alien species that has navigated interstellar distances.<br /><br />Given that liars, charlatans, and deluded or simply mistaken people are very common amongst us, I know where I would place my bet. SRMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07299706694667706149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-73723848784493242262015-02-16T22:01:31.722-05:002015-02-16T22:01:31.722-05:00Please! Joey doesn't believe ice is water and...Please! Joey doesn't believe ice is water and the null set is a set. And, yes, wavelength equals frequency because pink equals salty.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04921039513056888571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-50393154994979771772015-02-16T20:29:19.928-05:002015-02-16T20:29:19.928-05:00That's a good example of what UD is like. :)That's a good example of what UD is like. :)The whole truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219999357041824471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-16813751720938424522015-02-16T18:37:29.082-05:002015-02-16T18:37:29.082-05:00That's why I can't stay there too long at ...That's why I can't stay there too long at a time. On some days the place is too reminiscent of Bethlem Hospital three hundred years ago:<br /><br /><i>Some were preaching, and others in full cry a hunting. Some were praying, others cursing and swearing. Some were dancing others groaning. Some singing, others crying, and all in perfect confusion. A sad representation of the greater <b>chimerical world</b>!</i><br /><br />[Thomas Brown]Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-24113010466789651542015-02-16T18:26:27.078-05:002015-02-16T18:26:27.078-05:00Hey joey of parking lot, you apparently agree with...Hey joey of parking lot, you apparently agree with Torley. Do you believe that a guy called Joseph of Cupertino levitated and flew around thousands of times in the 17th century? Do you believe in miracles and that miracles are acts of 'God'? Can you levitate and fly? The whole truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219999357041824471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-35519500320790666952015-02-16T18:11:55.255-05:002015-02-16T18:11:55.255-05:00Piotr, I followed your link and read Torley's ...Piotr, I followed your link and read Torley's comment. I also read part of his sermon at the top of that thread (I just couldn't make it through the whole mess). I could write a lot about the way I felt as I read Torley's claims but I'll just repeat what I said about gordo: Is that IDiot a loon or what? The whole truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219999357041824471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-58326250008411393452015-02-16T17:25:52.776-05:002015-02-16T17:25:52.776-05:00quest said:
"ID claim that bacterial flagell...quest said:<br /><br />"ID claim that bacterial flagellum could not have evolved by Darwinian processes or any other non-ID means... It had to have been designed...<br />All one has to do to prove ID wrong is to..."<br /><br />Hey quest, listen carefully: NO ONE has to "prove" that ID is wrong, just as NO ONE has to "prove" that any or every other crackpot claim is wrong. If you IDiot-creationists want "ID" to be accepted by rational, knowledgeable, scientifically minded people as a credible, scientific inference and/or hypothesis and/or theory and or whatever, YOU IDiot-creationists have to show, with convincing scientific evidence and productive avenues of research, that "ID" is worthy of being accepted. <br /><br />Listen carefully to this too: You are not scoring any positive points for "ID" with the way that you behave here. The whole truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07219999357041824471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-70596818229069194632015-02-16T15:09:57.564-05:002015-02-16T15:09:57.564-05:00Yeah Joe, where's that testible ID hypothesis ...Yeah Joe, where's that testible ID hypothesis you claim to have? Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15924368353226400878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-21650395908351939062015-02-16T13:58:45.202-05:002015-02-16T13:58:45.202-05:00Joe G said: "There is plenty of evidence for ...Joe G said: "There is plenty of evidence for ID."<br /><br />Really? Perhaps you would like to present some.<br /><br />Dave BaileyThe Rathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02487724361976424018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-12098029491006898762015-02-16T11:32:15.312-05:002015-02-16T11:32:15.312-05:00And Bill, being an idiot, knows idiots.And Bill, being an idiot, knows idiots.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-58247251617944448192015-02-16T11:31:02.106-05:002015-02-16T11:31:02.106-05:00Dave Baily couldn't design a living organism i...Dave Baily couldn't design a living organism if his life depended on it. He must be really, really stupid.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-78445570292818370872015-02-16T10:24:38.208-05:002015-02-16T10:24:38.208-05:00TWiT your mistake is that you are totally ignorant...TWiT your mistake is that you are totally ignorant. If your position had something other than assholes like you for support then ID would be a non-starter.Joe Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08305194278121208230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-34813261707869608502015-02-16T05:02:29.611-05:002015-02-16T05:02:29.611-05:00By the way, Torley has only copied and pasted stuf...By the way, Torley has only copied and pasted stuff from his earlier post on Joseph of Cupertino"<br /><br /><a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/jerry-coyne-and-stephen-frys-fishy-tale-about-st-thomas-aquinas/#comment-467489" rel="nofollow">Torley 2013</a>Piotr Gąsiorowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06339278493073512102noreply@blogger.com