tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post1815451770715047516..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Scientists fight back against fake news and pseudoscienceLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-20720892284097920182018-04-05T16:26:10.240-04:002018-04-05T16:26:10.240-04:00Funny how no true christian has prayed for an end ...Funny how no true christian has prayed for an end of war, world hunger, cancer, malaria, the situation in the middle East, etc. etc.<br />I suggest you pray to your God for a really good answer to this argument. Mikkel Rumraket Rasmussenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07670550711237457368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-12063324608501073722018-04-04T12:09:25.780-04:002018-04-04T12:09:25.780-04:00Prayer works for Christians who actually do as the...Prayer works for Christians who actually do as the Bible states -- "Believe that you receive, and you shall have." Of course it has to be God's will and we discern his will by knowing Him and the Bible. "If you abide in Me and my words abide in you, ask what you will and it shall be done." This kind of prayer brings answers even miracles. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07905058811123225422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-43208731076258626242018-02-21T22:29:11.887-05:002018-02-21T22:29:11.887-05:00"Do you avoid gluten or lactose?" Actua..."Do you avoid gluten or lactose?" Actually, I do minimize my exposure to lactose. In college, I lost my ability to drink milk without getting an upset stomach. I don't worry about this much. I'll bake with milk, for example. I'm OK with processed dairy products like cheese or yogurt. But I avoid drinking more than a little bit of milk, cream, etc. Could my idea that I can no longer digest lactose wrong? Could be, but I can live with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-22335113424297843582018-02-16T23:24:50.775-05:002018-02-16T23:24:50.775-05:00Josiah
I also don't agree with definitions giv...Josiah<br />I also don't agree with definitions given about science.<br />I see human beings as just figuring things out. Existing nature or manipulating it (Inventions).<br />SO how do we know when someones figured out?<br />Thats the best hope for science to exist relative to other investigations.<br />Science must be a higher standard of investigation that can demand confidence in its conclusions.<br />So testing medicines is such a standard. Planes and space shuttles.<br />In origin subjects , and others, we are trying to figure out invisible things. origins are in the past and so invisible. Physics is invisible and thats why it has a priority prestige. (wrongly I say).<br />I see biology, visible, as more complicated and so should have the highest prestige in figuring it out/fixing it. ITS VISIBLE and still complicated!!<br />Testing invisable origin subjects is impossible. thats why its conclusions are not demanding.<br />in fact i say evolutionism is not based on biological evidence, in the main, but on geological evidence and then biological extensions. so evolution is not a theory of science but a untested hypothesis in biology.<br />Its not a high standard of investigation because its not investigating on its own subject. its not using biology evidence but geology , others, evidence.<br />Hope we reached a adult standard here!!<br /><br />Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-67805769248756132332018-02-16T22:55:23.111-05:002018-02-16T22:55:23.111-05:00I will give examples.
I know women who have had Ir...I will give examples.<br />I know women who have had Iron deficiencies and Doctors gave them iron pills etc to compensate.<br />In the old days a naturopath easily , in ntrying to help someone, could give things with iron in it and help that woman.<br />The naturopath , accidentally, got it right. <br />So why not today? They could get recipes in minerals/foods etc that do people well that the doctors failed to do.<br />medicines are really just minerals and biology things anyways.<br />.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-27269811886041410332018-02-16T19:33:23.233-05:002018-02-16T19:33:23.233-05:00The funny thing about pseudoscience is that it is ...The funny thing about pseudoscience is that it is relative... Larry and his team call ENCODE pseudoscience and they laugh their head off because they know that they are not only right, they got the funding for ENCODE 2 and possibly ENCODE 3.<br />It's not that scientists wanted to expose Darwiosaurs, it's biopharmaceuticals that want to dig to open up new drug selling possibilities... <br />In other words, evolution is in a great space... lolJasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00012083978513644307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-1375735587781910442018-02-15T16:37:36.720-05:002018-02-15T16:37:36.720-05:00:):)grasshopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16697495539384219936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-52398430923218267062018-02-15T11:38:54.566-05:002018-02-15T11:38:54.566-05:00There are several definitions of "science.&qu...There are several definitions of "science." You are using a very restrictive definition—one that I disagree with.<br /><br /><a href="http://sandwalk.blogspot.ca/2013/09/what-is-science-according-to-george.html" rel="nofollow">What Is "Science" According to George Orwell?</a><br /><a href="http://sandwalk.blogspot.ca/2014/01/territorial-demarcation-and-meaning-of.html" rel="nofollow">Territorial demarcation and the meaning of science</a><br /><a href="http://sandwalk.blogspot.ca/2013/04/can-science-test-supernatural-worldviews.html" rel="nofollow">Can Science Test Supernatural Worldviews?</a><br /><a href="http://sandwalk.blogspot.ca/2015/06/the-science-behind-intelligent-design.html" rel="nofollow">The science behind Intelligent Design Creationism</a><br /><a href="http://sandwalk.blogspot.ca/2015/10/jonathan-mclatchie-says-that.html" rel="nofollow">Jonathan McLatchie says that intelligent design is a science</a><br /><br />My view is that science is a way of knowing that relies on evidence. This encompasses all kinds of approaches that are outside of the traditional boundaries of biology, geology, physics, chemistry etc. There are no subjects that are immune to investigation using science (broad definition) and that includes the supernatural world if it exists. <br /><br />Most of those investigations do not involve conducting experiments in the way that you seem to envisage.<br /><br />Most of the activities of Intelligent Design Creationists count as science, in my opinion. They are invariably examples of BAD science but that's not limited to ID. Lots of traditional scientists also do bad science but nobody questions whether they are doing science. Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-62348158294425764802018-02-15T10:03:33.990-05:002018-02-15T10:03:33.990-05:00Robert, if you want to have an adult conversation ...Robert, if you want to have an adult conversation about science, you should understand what the word science means: "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment". If you can't conduct experiments and observe things in order to test whether an idea is true or false, you're not talking about science using the modern definition, you're using the archaic definition of science as "knowledge of any kind", which was used in the days of alchemy and astrology but is now referred to as "pseudo-science".Josiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07918155169601740285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-48521216161842113212018-02-15T09:31:12.653-05:002018-02-15T09:31:12.653-05:00"Its old school to say ID/YEC are not sciency..."Its old school to say ID/YEC are not sciency"<br />I don't know about "old school" -- but it is perfectly correct to say beliefs that rely on a magician in the sky to explain reality is not science. <br /><br />"Who says they don't work.?"<br /><br />Data. Science. Thing you clearly don't (or can't) understand.deanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08279929296814513986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-47715430856865060892018-02-15T03:02:04.483-05:002018-02-15T03:02:04.483-05:00My bad. You were just too realistically reflecting...My bad. You were just too realistically reflecting a common confusion in pupils at schools (me -> school teacher) about elementary substances, ions, the periodic table etc. So I lectured rather than laughed. Joachim Dagghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00985198925581721229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-91020032744345980922018-02-14T23:56:12.103-05:002018-02-14T23:56:12.103-05:00Its old school to say ID/YEC are not sciency as an...Its old school to say ID/YEC are not sciency as anyone. <br />its different conclusions using limited data about invisible things.<br />origin subjects are invisible.<br />tens or hundreds of millions of north americans accept creationism(s) as science. iTs enough.<br /><br />the naturopath being effetive is accounted by lots of people who care a great deal.<br />its reasonable many people just need these things to top them off. all things these folks offer are based on the presumptions of how plants/minerals are needed by the body.<br />Who says they don't work.?<br />Its not a good case to unite opposition to naturopaths and evolutionism.<br /> Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-6260462776907121902018-02-14T17:26:09.583-05:002018-02-14T17:26:09.583-05:00Sorry Joachim. I wasn't being very clear. I wa...Sorry Joachim. I wasn't being very clear. I was trying to make the point that because something contains something that could be harmful, it doesn't mean that it IS harmful, because what might be classed as a poison depends upon how much of the stuff you ingest.<br />Say, for instance, the salt in junk food.<br /><br />The comment about chlorine was meant to be an observation about anti-vaxxers who scream "OMG! Vaccines contain mercury!!", not being aware of the difference between methyl mercury and ethyl mercury.<br /><br />I recently posted elsewhere a quote of Sir Peter Medawar's, to wit "... Just as compulsory primary education created a market catered for by cheap dailies and weeklies, so the spread of secondary and latterly tertiary education has created a large population of people, often with well-developed literary and scholarly tastes, who have been educated far beyond their capacity to undertake analytical thought." <br />I would be mortified if I was as educated as all that.grasshopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16697495539384219936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-54156855701696222802018-02-14T10:48:52.534-05:002018-02-14T10:48:52.534-05:00One of the very real scientific problems with huma...One of the very real scientific problems with humans is irony deficiency. :-)Larry Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-53578345562872450372018-02-14T08:13:19.051-05:002018-02-14T08:13:19.051-05:00"its different conclusions using science,&quo..."its different conclusions using science,"<br /><br />Creationism and ID have nothing to do with science, everything to do with multiple assertions modern science is completely wrong. <br /><br />"i do think, as a last hope, people should try these naturopaths. i hear people swear by them. in canada at least.<br />prayer helps too."<br /><br />Except that all data and experience show that nothing naturopaths do help and prayer does nothing. You are essentially saying doing nothing, or less than nothing, to aid people with physical or medical issues is perfectly acceptable. deanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08279929296814513986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-91537527051304743512018-02-13T23:13:36.028-05:002018-02-13T23:13:36.028-05:00its not science denialiists! its different conclus...its not science denialiists! its different conclusions using science, or trying to honestly.<br />saying its denial because of disagreement is to be ignorant of the history of science in the last centuries. its a accusation that is a failure and aBsUrD.<br /><br />i am not endorsing naturopaths but not rejecting them because doctors originally were these people in thousands of countries.<br />many medicines came from nature including chemicals and plants.<br />I see no atomic difference but only in knowledge.<br />i do think, as a last hope, people should try these naturopaths. i hear people swear by them. in canada at least.<br />prayer helps too. Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-33443651249470398862018-02-13T18:23:27.752-05:002018-02-13T18:23:27.752-05:00If poutine isn't unhealthy, God has a lot to a...If poutine isn't unhealthy, God has a lot to answer for.John Harshmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04478895397136729867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-51728606996504264782018-02-13T13:16:14.258-05:002018-02-13T13:16:14.258-05:00Headdesk, facepalm. Great example of how this pseu...Headdesk, facepalm. Great example of how this pseudo-scientific nonsense comes into the world (some smattering half-knowledge with no fact-checking applied). <br /><br />Salt contains chloride, which is the ion (atom with a negative charge), and it is completely non-toxic. The chlorine you mean is a molecule made up of two atoms of the element and it is gaseous. The chlorine in the periodic table of elements is just the symbol Cl with an atomic number and an atomic weight ascribed to it. It does not exist as such.Joachim Dagghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00985198925581721229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-58992455412590589972018-02-13T09:44:43.795-05:002018-02-13T09:44:43.795-05:00"Creationists see evolutionism as on this lis..."Creationists see evolutionism as on this list and I see global warming on the list."<br /><br />No surprise a science denialist would see those here.<br /><br />"Naturpaths to me are people using herbs etc to heal"<br /><br />Naturopaths (spelling matters) use all sorts of woo that is without support: they are modern snake oil salespeople. There is a reason they use "ND": they are not doctors.deanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08279929296814513986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-21522712406248794352018-02-13T06:48:00.633-05:002018-02-13T06:48:00.633-05:00Some of the question have easy answers –on the sur...Some of the question have easy answers –on the surface.<br />The problem often is, that people mix different aspects of a topic and combine them into a package. Unfortunately (?) the world is complex. <br />My take on three:<br /><br />“Do you think genetically-modified organisms are dangerous?” <br /><br />My answer: No - if properly designed. <br />They are most likely one of the solutions to the increasing food demand of an increasing world population.<br />But the patentability of those crops (and of course not just GMO-crops) increases the dependence of farmers on those crops, and seems to decreases the variety of sorts one finds on the market. These are of course socioeconomic & culinary problems.<br /><br />“Is Round-Up a deadly poison?” <br /><br />If you are a weed: Yes. <br />My beef with herbicides is their over-use. At present, the use of herbicides (in combination with unrestricted monocultures) massively shifts the ecology of our landscapes and leads to a loss in diversity.<br /><br />“Do you spend extra money buying "organic" food?”<br />My answer: Often <br />I do not believe that ‘organic’ food is healthier than conventional food. However I think it is equally important to take care of the effects of food-production on our environment. Did you ever compare (I live in Europe) a conventionally run farm and a small ecologically managed one? I suspect that we need both types of production and possibly intermediate production forms.<br /><br />“Do skinny people live longer?”<br />Than who? <br />Do obese people live longer than non-obese people? Do obese people have less often diabetes & heart problems than non-obese people? <br /><br />Cheers,<br />MichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-57663148940130637362018-02-13T01:35:58.654-05:002018-02-13T01:35:58.654-05:00Creationists see evolutionism as on this list and ...Creationists see evolutionism as on this list and I see global warming on the list.<br />Anyways i agree with the list as wrongb things except.<br />I understand acupuncture is used on horses with good important results!?<br />Naturpaths to me are people using herbs etc to heal. i see this as possible. I understand aspirin was discovered, however primitively, by Greeks on rocks etc. It worked a little back then. in fact ancient medicines were all natural things and had merit.<br />aspirin is, i understand, just a "poison' that paralyzes the system in a minor way. <br />I love hamburgers, fries, poutine(French Canadian invention eh)<br />I don't know what probiotics is!<br />A trillion dollars? Well its taxed so one gets it back!<br />I never heard Gwyneth was involved?!Robert Byershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05631863870635096770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-68091075859405133202018-02-12T20:47:26.493-05:002018-02-12T20:47:26.493-05:00Five years ago, opposition to fake news, pseudosci...<br /><br />Five years ago, opposition to fake news, pseudoscience, bad science, or badly expressed science, was enjoined by the immense resources of the US-based NCBI (National Center for Biological Information). It founded "PubMed Commons" that allowed direct commentary on any of the multitude of scientific publications listed in PubMed, each having a unique internet address ("PMID"). <br /><br />Perhaps pressed by Trumpist budget cuts, the NCBI now declares this all to have been a mere <i>experiment</i>, an experiment that did not meet its expectations and therefore is being closed down. <br /><br />Rather than wringing our hands in despair over the antics of Gwyneth, perhaps Sandwalk visitors might also consider registering their opinions on PubMed Commons at the <a href="https://ncbiinsights.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2018/02/01/pubmed-commons-to-be-discontinued/" rel="nofollow"> NCBI site </a> where its impending demise is announced. Donald Forsdykehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18038104286639798795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-38867164993167353432018-02-12T18:59:43.547-05:002018-02-12T18:59:43.547-05:00Don't forget that salt also contains chlorine,...Don't forget that salt also contains chlorine, which the Germans used as a weapon of mass destruction in WWI. If only they had had fries to throw at the French.<br />As Paracelsus used to say "sola dosis facit venenum."grasshopperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16697495539384219936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-69460879326982896992018-02-12T18:03:16.021-05:002018-02-12T18:03:16.021-05:00I have an Irish colleague who has polio as a child...I have an Irish colleague who has polio as a child. In her late 60s she is now dealing with the secondary effects. Introduce an anti-vaccer to her. The anti-vaccer will be beaten with her crutch. William Spearshakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354659259971103985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-61880846547679470412018-02-12T17:53:27.005-05:002018-02-12T17:53:27.005-05:00"Do you think vaccines are a threat to your c..."Do you think vaccines are a threat to your child's well-being?"<br /><br />The part of Michigan where I live has the usual infestation of people opposed to vaccines for the usual "reasons": they are linked to no end of terrible things, they don't work, etc.<br /><br />Worse, however, is our infestation of libertarians, who are vocal in their opposition to vaccinations for an even worse reason: They view children as the property of their parents, and it isn't the place of anyone to tell someone what can and can't be done with their own property. That is a truly evil take. deanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08279929296814513986noreply@blogger.com