tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post1061895524607187104..comments2024-03-27T14:50:47.345-04:00Comments on <center>Sandwalk</center>: Penn Jillette Defines RespectLarry Moranhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05756598746605455848noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-470290084233699432010-11-03T00:02:04.043-04:002010-11-03T00:02:04.043-04:00Penn and Teller: "AGW is bullshit."
The...<i>Penn and Teller: "AGW is bullshit."</i><br /><br />They didn't do too well on the 2nd hand smoke episode either.<br /><br />I'm looking forward to the show at Massey Hall Wednesday evening.steve oberskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-73241186107383739742010-11-02T19:25:51.518-04:002010-11-02T19:25:51.518-04:00Penn and Teller: "AGW is bullshit."
Me:...Penn and Teller: "AGW is bullshit."<br /><br />Me: "You're out of your f---ing mind!"gilltnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-87467182312251722702010-11-01T23:37:48.440-04:002010-11-01T23:37:48.440-04:00do not respect the people we refuse to waste time ...<i>do not respect the people we refuse to waste time with</i><br /><br />While I think that people deserve respect (and ideas and institutions do not), you often can not separate the idea from the person.<br /><br />But that's not a problem for the person disagreeing with the idea, it's a problem for the person holding the idea.steve oberskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-66247355628359416352010-11-01T21:40:25.447-04:002010-11-01T21:40:25.447-04:00Some ideas are so bad that they "are not even...<i>Some ideas are so bad that they "are not even wrong" and as such do not warrant the waste of time a conversation would entail and a succinct "you're out of your fucking mind" is exactly what is called for.</i><br /><br />Although I agree with you completely, mind you, we are talking about respect here. Clearly, you and I, (because I do this too) do not respect the people we refuse to waste time with.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09793741972385047253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-49088903276193942262010-11-01T17:05:29.741-04:002010-11-01T17:05:29.741-04:00Well they can if the idea you are refuting is craz...<i>Well they can if the idea you are refuting is crazy, irrational and/or stupid and the person expressing said idea is so emotionally invested in it that you can't separate the person from the idea.</i><br /><br />But the point is that <b>asserting</b> that something is "crazy, irrational, or stupid" isn't a conversation anymore that <b>asserting</b> that something is immoral, reprobate, or otherwise evil. It is a good way to begin a sermon, but it put those who you are trying to convince on the defensive, which is in general counterproductive.Michael Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-25402124184958371312010-11-01T14:52:21.176-04:002010-11-01T14:52:21.176-04:00Conversations don't start with "You'r...<i>Conversations don't start with "You're crazy! You're irrational! You're stupid!"</i><br /><br />Well they can if the idea you are refuting is crazy, irrational and/or stupid and the person expressing said idea is so emotionally invested in it that you can't separate the person from the idea.<br /><br />Some ideas are so bad that they "are not even wrong" and as such do not warrant the waste of time a conversation would entail and a succinct "you're out of your fucking mind" is exactly what is called for.<br /><br />Life is too short to not prioritize your conversations.steve oberskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37148773.post-42368457139203367072010-11-01T14:29:26.783-04:002010-11-01T14:29:26.783-04:00"Respect is when you say something crazy and ..."Respect is when you say something crazy and I say ‘you’re out of your f---ing mind.’ "<br /><br />No. Respect is when someone says something that you disagree with -- and even strongly -- and you say "Really? I don't think that's right. Why do you think that's right?"<br /><br />And respect probably doesn't start with considering the ideas crazy at the start. Sure, some ideas may be crazy ... but then, having had some ideas that others consider crazy I can easily understand that sometimes it's our own perceptions that make it seem like that to us, and nothing about the idea itself.<br /><br />"direct conversation is real respect"<br /><br />Conversations don't start with "You're crazy! You're irrational! You're stupid!". Heck, DEBATES don't even start with that. ARGUMENTS start with that.<br /><br />If you only want to have arguments, feel free. But don't try to hide behind starting conversations if what you're doing is starting argumentsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com